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Bill: Democratisation and easening of bureaucracy
Details
Submitted by[?]: Partidul Național Liberal
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: April 3634
Description[?]:
| This is to reduce the lost time, ESPECIALLY when a majority that does NOT include the winning party is formed. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The constitutional right and responsibility to propose a cabinet to the legislature.
Old value:: Only the Head of State can propose a cabinet coalition.
Current: Each party can propose a cabinet coalition.
Proposed: Only the largest party can propose a cabinet.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 03:25:10, March 10, 2014 CET | From | Partidul Național Liberal | To | Debating the Democratisation and easening of bureaucracy |
| Message | It would have been ideal if any party could have proposed the cabinet, but due to uncertainty regarding PSLI's vote, we'll vote for the minimum change possible. |
| Date | 07:16:42, March 10, 2014 CET | From | Feline Revolutionary Socialist Party | To | Debating the Democratisation and easening of bureaucracy |
| Message | I agree that this should soon be amended so that any party can propose a cabinet, else the Popolari party shall keep its tyranical grip over our nation. |
| Date | 11:54:23, March 10, 2014 CET | From | Partidul Național Liberal | To | Debating the Democratisation and easening of bureaucracy |
| Message | The PPI is abusing the Constitution as we speak by refusing to name the cabinet of the democratically elected majority. We strongly urge PSLI to change its vote in order to stop the attacks on democracy. |
| Date | 12:30:54, March 10, 2014 CET | From | Popolari per l'Istalia - U.o.L. | To | Debating the Democratisation and easening of bureaucracy |
| Message | The Constitution says that the President have to propose a cabinet. Now: the cabinet that you propose doesn't include the President's Party (PPI); also, the Coalition that you propose doesn't present itself united at the last elections. So: i think that you only want to create confusion because you have lost the last elections. |
| Date | 12:57:14, March 10, 2014 CET | From | Partidul Național Liberal | To | Debating the Democratisation and easening of bureaucracy |
| Message | Where in any democratic regime must the president's party be at all costs in the government? Even more, where in any democratic regime does the president represent a party? (that's the object of the other constitutional amendment) A majority is needed to form a government. The majority was built. It does NOT include "the president's party". Are those 30% going to be above the 50+%? Forcing a party in a government is a dictatorial measure. |
| Date | 14:08:38, March 10, 2014 CET | From | Popolari per l'Istalia - U.o.L. | To | Debating the Democratisation and easening of bureaucracy |
| Message | Q: Where in any democratic regime must the president's party be at all costs in the government? R: U.S.A and France for example. Even more, where in any democratic regime does the president represent a party? (that's the object of the other constitutional amendment) R: The President is always expression of a party, but have to represent the entire nation. D: A majority is needed to form a government. The majority was built. It does NOT include "the president's party". Are those 30% going to be above the 50+%? Forcing a party in a government is a dictatorial measure. R: It's not this. I talk about a system in which every candidate is supported by many parties and, at the end of the election, one coalition have the 50%+1. It is the USA's and France's electoral system |
| Date | 17:49:43, March 10, 2014 CET | From | Partidul Național Liberal | To | Debating the Democratisation and easening of bureaucracy |
| Message | You gave the example of France. Then learn about cohabitation, because, guess what, it exists: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cohabitation_%28government%29 |
| Date | 18:40:10, March 10, 2014 CET | From | Partidul Național Liberal | To | Debating the Democratisation and easening of bureaucracy |
| Message | Also: there are plenty constitutions that state that the president cannot just name the government as he wants, but nominates a candidate for the PM position, who in turn has to choose his cabinet and must go through the validation of the parliament. Even more, there are constitutions that clearly state that the president is INCOMPATIBLE with the party member status, so he MUST renounce his party after being elected; acting as de facto member of a certain party is grounds for impeachment. |
| Date | 19:39:58, March 10, 2014 CET | From | Popolari per l'Istalia - U.o.L. | To | Debating the Democratisation and easening of bureaucracy |
| Message | The cases that I have mentioned are those currently used in France and the U.S. The "cohabitation" is a reality of the past. For the other question: in our actual system there is the PM and he is Klaus Jurgen of your party (http://classic.particracy.net/viewparty.php?partyid=20929). He is nominated by the President, who in turn has to choose the cabinet and must go through the validation of the parliament. So: what difference with what you said? If you don't have the knowledge of the system, how can you pretend of change it? |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 320 | |||||
| no | Total Seats: 279 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
| Random fact: When your party holds the foreign affairs department, you can create new treaties. However, before writing anything new, it is a good idea to search for existing treaties which already accomplish what you desire. |
| Random quote: "By a continuing process of inflation, government can confiscate, secretly and unobserved, an important part of the wealth of their citizens." - John Maynard Keynes |