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Bill: Nuova legge elettorale - New electoral system

Details

Submitted by[?]: Popolari per l'Istalia - U.o.L.

Status[?]: defeated

Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: June 3634

Description[?]:

Partendo dalla legge elettorale già votata in Parlamento (http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=363034), proponiamo le seguenti modifiche:

Art. 1: i candidati Presidente dovranno essere presentati un anno prima delle elezioni con un messaggio in bacheca;
Art. 2: le forze politiche dovranno obbligatoriamente esprimere l'appoggio ad un candidato, almeno al secondo turno delle elezioni.

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Starting from the electoral law already voted on in the Parliament (http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=363034), we propose the following changes:

Art. 1: candidates for President must be submitted one year before the elections with a message on the bulletin board;
Art. 2: political forces are obliged to express support for a candidate, at least in the second round of elections.

Proposals

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date11:41:10, March 10, 2014 CET
FromFeline Revolutionary Socialist Party
ToDebating the Nuova legge elettorale - New electoral system
MessageAnother desperate play for power by the ailing Popolaris.

Date11:42:11, March 10, 2014 CET
FromPartidul Național Liberal
ToDebating the Nuova legge elettorale - New electoral system
MessageWe will not tolerate any attempts at a coup d'état.

Date11:43:15, March 10, 2014 CET
FromGreen Party of Quanzar
ToDebating the Nuova legge elettorale - New electoral system
MessageThis attempt to bypass the demands of the legislature will not be taken lightly.

Date14:10:22, March 10, 2014 CET
FromPopolari per l'Istalia - U.o.L.
ToDebating the Nuova legge elettorale - New electoral system
MessageQ: Where in any democratic regime must the president's party be at all costs in the government?

R: U.S.A and France for example.

Even more, where in any democratic regime does the president represent a party? (that's the object of the other constitutional amendment)

R: The President is always expression of a party, but have to represent the entire nation.

D: A majority is needed to form a government. The majority was built. It does NOT include "the president's party". Are those 30% going to be above the 50+%? Forcing a party in a government is a dictatorial measure.

R: It's not this. I talk about a system in which every candidate is supported by many parties and, at the end of the election, one coalition have the 50%+1. It is the USA's and France's electoral system

Date18:41:49, March 10, 2014 CET
FromPartidul Național Liberal
ToDebating the Nuova legge elettorale - New electoral system
MessageYou gave the example of France. Then learn about cohabitation, because, guess what, it exists: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cohabitation_%28government%29

Also: there are plenty constitutions that state that the president cannot just name the government as he wants, but nominates a candidate for the PM position, who in turn has to choose his cabinet and must go through the validation of the parliament. Even more, there are constitutions that clearly state that the president is INCOMPATIBLE with the party member status, so he MUST renounce his party after being elected; acting as de facto member of a certain party is grounds for impeachment.

Date19:08:22, March 10, 2014 CET
FromPopolari per l'Istalia - U.o.L.
ToDebating the Nuova legge elettorale - New electoral system
MessageThe cases that I have mentioned are those currently used in France and the U.S. The "cohabitation" is a reality of the past.
For the other question: in our actual system there is the PM and he is Klaus Jurgen of your party (http://classic.particracy.net/viewparty.php?partyid=20929). He is nominated by the President, who in turn has to choose the cabinet and must go through the validation of the parliament. So: what difference with what you said?
If you don't have the knowledge of the system, how can you pretend of change it?

Date19:19:24, March 10, 2014 CET
FromPartidul Național Liberal
ToDebating the Nuova legge elettorale - New electoral system
MessageThe difference is that he seeks to form a cabinet supported by a parliamentary majority.

Date19:34:30, March 10, 2014 CET
FromPopolari per l'Istalia - U.o.L.
ToDebating the Nuova legge elettorale - New electoral system
Messagewhat you say is what I want to do: make coalitions before so who wins is supported by a majority. That's all.

Date19:35:46, March 10, 2014 CET
FromPartidul Național Liberal
ToDebating the Nuova legge elettorale - New electoral system
MessageNo, there is a fundamental difference: the parliamentary majority I'm talking about can be formed AFTER the elections, not before.

Date19:43:39, March 10, 2014 CET
FromPopolari per l'Istalia - U.o.L.
ToDebating the Nuova legge elettorale - New electoral system
MessageNo, there isn't a difference. In fact, with my system you try to make coalitions, but it is said that one of this will win and so we are forced to create alliance after. With your system, you are forced to make a covenant after, without groped to avoid compromise.

Date19:53:37, March 10, 2014 CET
FromPartidul Național Liberal
ToDebating the Nuova legge elettorale - New electoral system
MessageYes there is a difference. We do NOT want to force a party to back somebody at the elections, we want to give them the right to choose if they do it, while after the elections they can negotiate or not the formation of a governing coalition. You want to FORCE parties into coalitions. We want to LET THEM CHOOSE if they want to be part of one. And once such a majority is formed (of course, I mean an absolute majority), it is entitled to the government.

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Voting

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Total Seats: 194

no
     

Total Seats: 368

abstain
 

Total Seats: 37


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