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Bill: Budget proposal of May 2162

Details

Submitted by^[?]: Social-Conservative party

Status^[?]: defeated

Votes: This bill proposes to change the allocation of funds in the budget. It requires more than half of the legislature to vote yes. This bill will pass as soon as the required yes votes are in, or will be defeated if unsufficient votes are reached on the deadline.

Voting deadline: October 2163

Description^[?]:

The Social-Conservative party propose to adjust the government's spending budget to better address the economic and social situation of the United Tribes of Tukarali.

Proposals

Article 1

Ministry	Current Budget	Old Budget	Propesed Budget
Head of Government	2,500,000,000 TUK	28,870,000,000 TUK	27,860,000,000 TUK
Foreign Affairs	50,000,000,000 TUK	52,650,000,000 TUK	52,650,000,000 TUK
Internal Affairs	150,000,000,000 TUK	47,590,000,000 TUK	47,090,000,000 TUK
Finance	30,000,000,000 TUK	21,185,000,000 TUK	21,185,000,000 TUK
Defence	300,000,000,000 TUK	105,888,000,000 TUK	105,888,000,000 TUK
Justice	200,000,000,000 TUK	123,284,000,000 TUK	123,284,000,000 TUK
Infrastructure and Transport	250,000,000,000 TUK	214,455,000,000 TUK	210,455,000,000 TUK
Health and Social Services	700,000,000,000 TUK	234,110,000,000 TUK	234,110,000,000 TUK
Education and Culture	400,000,000,000 TUK	286,470,000,000 TUK	286,470,000,000 TUK
Science and Technology	125,000,000,000 TUK	120,238,000,000 TUK	120,238,000,000 TUK
Food and Agriculture	250,000,000,000 TUK	161,082,000,000 TUK	161,082,000,000 TUK
Environment and Tourism	75,000,000,000 TUK	121,774,000,000 TUK	121,774,000,000 TUK
Trade and Industry	200,000,000,000 TUK	11,764,700,000 TUK	11,764,700,000 TUK
Total	2,732,500,000,000 TUK	1,529,360,700,000 TUK	1,523,850,700,000 TUK

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date	01:00:07, December 28, 2005 CET
From	Rightist Party
To	Debating the Budget proposal of May 2162
Message	This will do nothing to balance the budge. After doing some quick math, we have determined that this will not balance the budget at all.

Date	01:05:49, December 28, 2005 CET
From	Redneck Party
To	Debating the Budget proposal of May 2162
Message	SCP, we think this budget is a step in the right step but it is going to take more than what has been proposed so we have to oppose.

Date	15:22:07, December 28, 2005 CET
From	Social-Conservative party
To	Debating the Budget proposal of May 2162
Message	We have to make small changes as the parties here refuses to see any decrease at all as it seems. Our goal is to go much closer to 50 billion in deficit, as a first step. Here we take one giant step in that direction, and that is most desirable. And as nobody is interested in giving any concrete ideas on how much to lower and actually discuss this instead of just saying Yes, or No, then i ask the Redneck Party to reconsider their stance, as one of few sane parties, and support this first step on the path to economic recovery.

Date	15:47:31, December 28, 2005 CET
From	Patriot Party
To	Debating the Budget proposal of May 2162
Message	YOU WANT TO CUT INFRA AND TRANSPORT? Are you INSANE?

Date	18:11:50, December 28, 2005 CET
From	Social-Conservative party
To	Debating the Budget proposal of May 2162
Message	YES I DO (and you do not need to shout). if you wherent part of the discussion before when we held good talks , constructive, where some parties held valid arguments. While others did not, this is a simulation, not a sandbox where you just call people insane, or Say no. You need to atleast use the little grey cells beneath your ears to motivate why you feel the way you feel. It is not that difficult. You may like to have like 60 billion deficit each year, I do not. And when i am given a role i intend to try to do something, but i suddenly realise why dictatorship works so much better.

Date	03:38:17, December 29, 2005 CET
From	Patriot Party
To	Debating the Budget proposal of May 2162
Message	Do not insult me SCP. Some of the issues that have been coming up are old news and I'm tired of repeating my arguements so I just say if I support or not. I am highly intelligent and I do use my brains. I have a GPA of 3.85. As for doing your role, you can but that doens't mean you won't have opposition. We do not support cutting the budget for the head of government nor for internal security nor for transportation.

Date	03:41:56, December 29, 2005 CET
From	Redneck Party
To	Debating the Budget proposal of May 2162
Message	OOC: Ouch, SCP I think PP just laid the Smacketh Down on your candy @$$

Date	10:33:31, December 29, 2005 CET
From	Social-Conservative party
To	Debating the Budget proposal of May 2162
Message	I hardly think "YOU WANT TO CUT INFRA AND TRANSPORT? Are you INSANE?" is a sign of a GPA of 3.85 or of high intelligence. Is it so difficult to write " We do not support cutting the budget for the head of government nor for internal security nor for transportation." at first ? Of course not, opposition must always exist. But they should atleast bother to make argumentation and motivate Why they support, or not. And if you are tired of repeating yourself then i hardly see any reason for you to be part of a game where the issues that are are not decided by the players entirly, but the legislations are fixed, and we take those, so argumentations will return now and then.

Date	16:30:36, December 29, 2005 CET
From	Freedom Party
To	Debating the Budget proposal of May 2162
Message	We'd like to know why the PP has a problem with paying the HoG less. Is it because he's from their party?

Date	16:33:28, December 29, 2005 CET
From	Rightist Party
To	Debating the Budget proposal of May 2162
Message	There are many problems with this bill and one is cutting infrastructure and Transportation. A 2nd problem is cutting internal affairs! By cutting internal affairs you are, in effect, cutting our ability to hunt down those inside our nation that want to cause us harm. That is unacceptable. We'll oppose.

Date	17:22:15, December 29, 2005 CET
From	Patriot Party
To	Debating the Budget proposal of May 2162
Message	Actually, that'll be "SHE is from their party" And no, that isn't the reason why.

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Voting

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Seats

yes

Freedom Party (64)
Social-Conservative party (37)

Total Seats: 101

Total Seats: 123

abstain

Inactive (17)
3wide.com Antiparticulates (16)

Total Seats: 33

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