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Bill: Obtaining Information Proposal of Sept. 2162
Details
Submitted by[?]: Redneck Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: June 2164
Description[?]:
| We understand this bill has a very slim marigin of success in our nation but we, in the Redneck party, feel that this bill needs to be seriously considering. Currently in our nation it is against the law for any police officer to "Torture" a prisoner. Well we do not want to make it a common praticte for our prisoners to be Tortured without reason however we feel that in grave situations that we should be able to obtain information from suspects from any means neccessary. Chris Seidl, our current minister of Justice has proposed a list of several examples of times when Torture would be allowed by this bill. 1. A terriostic group is our nation planning to make a large scale terrositic attack on us, and we have one member of them and we have two hours to prevent this attack from taking place and we have no clue where it is going to take place or what the attack is, we just know that there is going to be an attack. 2. A serial rapist and killer has been captured but their is a little girl who has not been found and the justice department feels that the girl might still be alive, however, they have no clue on how to find the little girl. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The use of torture for obtaining information.
Old value:: Torture is never allowed.
Current: Torture is never allowed.
Proposed: Suspects can only be tortured under grave emergencies where the information is vital.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 15:26:00, December 28, 2005 CET | From | Social-Conservative party | To | Debating the Obtaining Information Proposal of Sept. 2162 |
| Message | We would not like to call it torture, we would like to call it Forcefull Obtaining of Information, would look much nicer in the law books... :D But we agree. |
| Date | 15:38:23, December 28, 2005 CET | From | Patriot Party | To | Debating the Obtaining Information Proposal of Sept. 2162 |
| Message | We don't agree at all. |
| Date | 19:23:07, December 28, 2005 CET | From | Rightist Party | To | Debating the Obtaining Information Proposal of Sept. 2162 |
| Message | We'll oppose this measure to. Torture never gets out accurate information. |
| Date | 17:35:23, December 30, 2005 CET | From | DaVidan Theological Monarchist Party | To | Debating the Obtaining Information Proposal of Sept. 2162 |
| Message | 'Torture is a flawed method of obtaining knowledge. The only true and pure form of knowledge comes from God himself, not from his the torturing of Gods children. Allowing torture will only give us flawed information, not knowledge. None of Gods children should be harmed in such a manner.' - The Prophet DaVida |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 57 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 103 | |||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 80 |
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