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Bill: Separation of Church and State

Details

Submitted by^[?]: Lutte F�ministe de Lib�ration

Status^[?]: defeated

Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: February 2169

Description^[?]:

Because it is the strong belief of the Kingdom of Rildanor that religion and government must be kept completely separate in their affairs, the Kingdom of Rildanor will no longer attempt to collect taxes from any group or organization dedicated to the non-profit worship of any religion, and will no longer maintain that churches must keep silent on any issues (namely political affairs) lest they face punitive actions by the state (use of taxation, etc).

Proposals

Article 1

Proposal^[?] to change Government policy concerning religions.

Old value:: There is an official state religion, but membership is completely voluntary.

Current: There is no official state religion, but the government only allows recognized religions. 'Cults' are persecuted.

Proposed: There is no government policy concerning a state religion.

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date	06:51:42, December 29, 2005 CET
From	Front Canrillaise
To	Debating the Separation of Church and State
Message	You have to add a Proposal with this bill. You can do so by clicking on the "Proposal" link at the bottom of this page and search for the collection of taxes law that invovles religious groups.

Date	00:33:55, December 31, 2005 CET
From	Lutte F�ministe de Lib�ration
To	Debating the Separation of Church and State
Message	Sorry, I didn't understand that you had to attach a proposal. However, while looking through all the government positions I discovered we have an official state religion, so I'm proposing that we no longer have a state religion and separate the two bodies permanently.

Date	01:10:25, December 31, 2005 CET
From	Parti Citron de Rildanor
To	Debating the Separation of Church and State
Message	We will vote against this. The official state religion is Catholicism, and uh....heh.

Date	01:15:03, December 31, 2005 CET
From	Lutte F�ministe de Lib�ration
To	Debating the Separation of Church and State
Message	We do not believe the people are best served by raising any religion to a high level of prominence. Religion is not well served by declaring one religion more important than another either.

Date	02:36:22, December 31, 2005 CET
From	Parti Citron de Rildanor
To	Debating the Separation of Church and State
Message	You're not going to sway my opinion one way or another, so you should give up attempting to convince me.

Date	01:18:06, January 01, 2006 CET
From	Front Canrillaise
To	Debating the Separation of Church and State
Message	Membership is voluntary anyways so we see no need to change the status quo.

Date	04:14:46, January 01, 2006 CET
From	Lutte F�ministe de Lib�ration
To	Debating the Separation of Church and State
Message	"You're not going to sway my opinion one way or another, so you should give up attempting to convince me." Alrighty then.... Voluntary or not I don't think we should have a state religion. It sends a message of intolerance that we can not afford.

Date	04:34:11, January 01, 2006 CET
From	Parti Citron de Rildanor
To	Debating the Separation of Church and State
Message	Hi, we're the Catholic Party, we're not going to fall being convinced, sorry.

Date	11:12:51, January 01, 2006 CET
From	Devout Ecologists Party
To	Debating the Separation of Church and State
Message	Backing up the Liberal Monarchist Party and the Rildanor Catholic Party here. We disagree about a so called message of intolerance it might send, because we are not being intolerate of other religions at all. As the Liberal Monarchist Party said, membership is voluntary.

Date	12:35:54, January 01, 2006 CET
From	Proletariat Coalition
To	Debating the Separation of Church and State
Message	Yes but it gives off the message as we don't regard everyone as equals, we regard Catholics more highly than people from other religions.

Date	20:11:07, January 01, 2006 CET
From	Devout Ecologists Party
To	Debating the Separation of Church and State
Message	Absolutly not. Whatever gives you that idea? We have no laws giving benefits to people who are member of the state religion, nor does it have any further consequences. Everybody has the freedom to be a member of whatever religion they like, and the same holds true for the state, does it not?

Date	04:39:30, January 02, 2006 CET
From	Lutte F�ministe de Lib�ration
To	Debating the Separation of Church and State
Message	No, because the state should be the creation of all the people, and should serve all of them equally. It does not, nor should it, function as a separate entity with rights of its own. It has only one obligation, to serve ALL of the people.

Date	05:06:20, January 04, 2006 CET
From	Devout Ecologists Party
To	Debating the Separation of Church and State
Message	Could we push this to a vote already? I want to get rid of this bill.

Date	01:24:51, January 09, 2006 CET
From	Lutte F�ministe de Lib�ration
To	Debating the Separation of Church and State
Message	Sorry.

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Voting

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Seats

yes

Odin Not Party (19)
Proletariat Coalition (15)
Lutte F�ministe de Lib�ration (11)
People's National Unity Movement (RDL) (0)
Social Liberal Party (0)

Total Seats: 45

Total Seats: 55

abstain

Harpers Reform Party (0)

Total Seats: 0

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