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Bill: Justice Reform
Details
Submitted by[?]: JLP Liberation Militia
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: August 2165
Description[?]:
| Justice System improvements |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The right to appeal against a judgement rendered by a court.
Old value:: Every person has the right to appeal against a judgement and to have it reviewed by a higher court.
Current: Every person has the right to appeal against a judgement and to have it reviewed by a higher court.
Proposed: Every person has the right to appeal to the Minister of Justice to have a judgement reviewed by another court.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Prison policy concerning prisoner labor.
Old value:: Prisoners can do certain jobs in prison, voluntarily, for a small wage.
Current: Prisoners can do certain jobs in prison, voluntarily, for a small wage.
Proposed: Able-bodied prisoners have to work during the day.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 20:02:39, December 30, 2005 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Justice Reform |
| Message | The AAS doesn't see how either of these measures - both of which only affect people AFTER they have been tried for a crime - can possibly address our crime rates? We are not necessarily against making convicts work 'for their keep'... OR against limiting the avenues to appeals. We just don't see how they are relevent to the stated agenda of the bill? |
| Date | 22:14:17, December 30, 2005 CET | From | JLP Liberation Militia | To | Debating the Justice Reform |
| Message | Regarding Article 2, prison is prison. While the JLP in no way supports inhumane or cruel treatment, it does recognize that people are in prison for a nasty reason. As we do not believe in the death penalty as a deterrent, we seek other methods to make prison a place one wants to avoid, again without being cruel or inhumane. Regarding Article 1, instead of filling the dockets of appeals courts, prisoners may appeal to a different branch of the government for review. This allows, at least in theory, a "checks and balances" system to work to ensure justice, rather than place everything in one government branch. |
| Date | 05:13:19, December 31, 2005 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Justice Reform |
| Message | The AAS is actually inclined to support... we still do not really see these policies as consistent with the stated language of the bill, however. |
| Date | 08:17:20, January 01, 2006 CET | From | JLP Liberation Militia | To | Debating the Justice Reform |
| Message | Ok. |
| Date | 08:17:55, January 01, 2006 CET | From | JLP Liberation Militia | To | Debating the Justice Reform |
| Message | I am glad that the AAS and JLP finally share some kind of common ground. |
| Date | 18:54:28, January 01, 2006 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Justice Reform |
| Message | The AAS is happy to support our allies in the JLP. |
| Date | 23:46:31, January 01, 2006 CET | From | Likaton Fascist Front | To | Debating the Justice Reform |
| Message | We see advantages to repealing the automatic right of appeal and consequently clogging up the courts with vexatious appeals. We also beleive that prisoners have a 'right' to repay their debt to society, and support article 2. We are happy to support this motion. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 253 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 177 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 70 |
| Random fact: "Treaty-locking", or ratifiying treaties that completely or nearly completely forbid any proposals to change laws, is not allowed. Amongst other possible sanctions, Moderation reserves the discretion to delete treaties and/or subject parties to a seat reset if this is necessary in order to reverse a treaty-lock situation. |
| Random quote: "The secret of freedom lies in educating people, whereas the secret of tyranny is in keeping them ignorant." - Maximilien Robespierre |