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Bill: Appointing Provincial Leaders
Details
Submitted by[?]: Grand Nationalist Fraction
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: June 3727
Description[?]:
| Since some decisions are left to local governments and our country consists of five Provinces, it would be a good thing if every Province would appoint one representative who would serve as a person-of-contact for local governments as well as for the national government. The leader of a Province oversees the execution of local law and authority. Such a leader would be the person responsible for asking help from the national government when necessary, for order in the Province, for informing the government what is going on in the Province, and so on. The leader would be governor. The Party with the most votes can appoint their candidate. This bill will be effective with the next elections after its passage. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 13:59:56, September 11, 2014 CET | From | People of Freedom (P.F) | To | Debating the Appointing Provincial Leaders |
| Message | Mr. Speaker. We agree to this. However as for title we are not to sure. Maybe Prefect perhaps. Phillipa Corazona LDP Leader |
| Date | 19:56:38, September 11, 2014 CET | From | Conservative Monarchist Alliance | To | Debating the Appointing Provincial Leaders |
| Message | OOC: Interesting idea. The 'Prefect'/'Governor' you are suggesting sounds more like a figurehead, with no real executive power. In other nations I have played in, there has been a convention of simulating regional assemblies, with the seats in the regional assemblies being based on region's last general election results. The region then appoints a governor, who usually belongs to the largest party within the largest coalition in the region. The convention would be that the governor exercises authority in all the policy areas delegated in law to local government. However, the governor's decisions can be over-ruled if parties representing a majority in the assembly decide to do so. Here in Lodamun, I suppose the coalitions would the GNRG+LNC and SLP+RftR+LDP, with my party probably reluctantly favouring the latter wherever it holds the balance of power. So under the system I have described, right now the governorships would be distributed as follows: Andalay: SLP Rapula: GNRG Norstavan: SLP Golavia: RftR (coalition dependent upon CMP support) Kregon: LDP (coalition again dependent upon CMP support) |
| Date | 20:17:44, September 11, 2014 CET | From |  Great National Republican Guard | To | Debating the Appointing Provincial Leaders |
| Message | OOC: To make it less complex, and to give the election map colours some relevance, we could scrap the coalitions and have the Governor being from the party with a plurality instead of requiring a majority. That's how we did it in Beluzia. In Guyana, the President is just the head of whichever party won the most seats, regardless of whether the party won a majority or whether the other parties choose to form a coalition in the legislature itself. We also have a Central Committee (we haven't used it in a while, but we can if we want to) which only includes the members of the largest party in each province: SLP - 98 seats GNRG - 75 seats LDP - 29 seats |
| Date | 20:37:18, September 11, 2014 CET | From | Grand Nationalist Fraction | To | Debating the Appointing Provincial Leaders |
| Message | OOC: I think making coalitions in the Provinces would make stuff much more complex than we want them to be. I like the idea, but nevertheless, in real politics there are many people involved. Here each of us has to run an entire party. Siggon, could you inform us about the task of the Central Committee? I recall all the committees are connected with the Provinces, taking under consideration the stance of these Provinces on certain matters. So the Central Committee would be a general assembly of the Provinces? |
| Date | 21:12:24, September 11, 2014 CET | From | Conservative Monarchist Alliance | To | Debating the Appointing Provincial Leaders |
| Message | OOC: Yes, you guys are right to be concerned about the complexity/time involved with regional coalition-building. When we had this system in Dranland and Hulstria, this was sometimes an issue! The advantage, though, is that it avoids scenarios which might seem unrealistic, such as when an extreme party wins a governorship, or a governor is elected who is radically at odds with the general political make-up of the region. I would be happy to go along with the plurality system you favour, though. What are our views on what role the Governor should play, and what powers (if any) he should have? |
| Date | 23:57:38, September 11, 2014 CET | From | Great National Republican Guard | To | Debating the Appointing Provincial Leaders |
| Message | OOC: Plurality makes things less complex. It's not necessarily unrealistic; as I said, Guyana has such a system. M13, it was just a mock upper house, we didn't define a purpose. It's like a committee attached to the President's office, like the Welfare Committee is linked to the Health and Social Services Ministry and the Police High Command is linked to the Internal Affairs Ministry. |
| Date | 00:06:46, September 12, 2014 CET | From | Social Libermuns Party | To | Debating the Appointing Provincial Leaders |
| Message | OOC: this will be interesting indeed. Plurality makes the most sense. Could some one lead me to how the Central Committee works? I'd like to get a better understanding of that. |
| Date | 01:30:12, September 12, 2014 CET | From | Great National Republican Guard | To | Debating the Appointing Provincial Leaders |
| Message | OOC: There are several committees which can be consulted by the Presidium: http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=388917 Each committee is responsible for overseeing another office, or acting as a body of consultants for that office. For example: - the Foreign Affairs Minister can call for a session of the Foreign Policy Committee to discuss an issue before making a proposal or decision - the Defence Minister can call for a session of the Military High Command to vote on an issue before making a proposal or decision Committees can help to develop the wording of a bill before a minister proposes it, or they can vote on resolutions that can influence the Presidium and legislation. A committee's resolution won't be binding, but it's still nice to have specialised discussions instead of having the political partisan banter in the Presidium. The Central Committee is the President's committee. The President may consult the Central Committee before making a decision. If he wants to do something, and he is undecided, he can ask for the Central Committee to vote on it before he makes a final decision. The Central Committee's vote won't be binding, but it would be held in high regard. |
| Date | 01:46:03, September 12, 2014 CET | From | People of Freedom (P.F) | To | Debating the Appointing Provincial Leaders |
| Message | OOC: We should make use of these committees more often. They are there to use so we should do just that. |
| Date | 12:39:20, September 12, 2014 CET | From | Conservative Monarchist Alliance | To | Debating the Appointing Provincial Leaders |
| Message | OOC: I like this idea in principle, but I'm still unclear about what the formal role and authority of the prefects/governors would be, and how that would all work. For example, the description in the motion says the governor/prefect would "oversee the execution of local law and authority". How would that work if there was a CMA governor/prefect who was expected to oversee all sorts of things he strongly disagreed with, like rounding up and executing Hosians? |
| Date | 12:43:17, September 12, 2014 CET | From | Grand Nationalist Fraction | To | Debating the Appointing Provincial Leaders |
| Message | OOC: the Hosian thing is a national measure, so he wouldn't have any jurisdiction there. If for example the sale of tobacco is left to the local government, the governor can choose what option from the list he wishes in that Province. So there would be a possibility that in one Province the sale is unregulated and in another regulated. |
| Date | 12:45:57, September 12, 2014 CET | From | Conservative Monarchist Alliance | To | Debating the Appointing Provincial Leaders |
| Message | OOC: I see what you mean. So in effect, the governor will exercise all the powers in his province that are delegated by law to "local government"? |
| Date | 12:55:02, September 12, 2014 CET | From | Grand Nationalist Fraction | To | Debating the Appointing Provincial Leaders |
| Message | OOC: Well, he will be the leader of that Province and will have executive power. |
| Date | 12:58:48, September 12, 2014 CET | From | Conservative Monarchist Alliance | To | Debating the Appointing Provincial Leaders |
| Message | OOC: You mean "Yes"? :) |
| Date | 12:59:09, September 12, 2014 CET | From | Conservative Monarchist Alliance | To | Debating the Appointing Provincial Leaders |
| Message | OOC: Sorry if I'm sounding pedantic, but I like to get all these details clear! |
| Date | 13:12:43, September 12, 2014 CET | From | Grand Nationalist Fraction | To | Debating the Appointing Provincial Leaders |
| Message | OOC: he actually would be able to do so. But let's keep things realistic and don't change the stance whenever we feel like. |
| Date | 13:20:27, September 12, 2014 CET | From | Conservative Monarchist Alliance | To | Debating the Appointing Provincial Leaders |
| Message | OOC: Well, if the governor is able to exercise authority in policy areas delegated to local government, then he's able to exercise authority in policy areas delegated to local government! As I said before, this can have awkward consequences if a radical or extremist governor gets all that power, despite his party not having a majority of votes in that region. This is why there is a case for having regional coalitions, or at the very least, allowing the regional assembly to over-rule the governor if he does something they object to. |
| Date | 13:41:51, September 12, 2014 CET | From | Grand Nationalist Fraction | To | Debating the Appointing Provincial Leaders |
| Message | OOC: We could hand in a bill to create such an assembly. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 543 | |||||
| no | Total Seats: 56 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
| Random fact: Moderation will not implement nation renaming requests where the proposed name does not comply with the requirements set out in the Nation Renaming Guide: http://forum.particracy.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=6364 |
| Random quote: "Political institutions are a superstructure resting on an economic foundation." - Vladimir Lenin |