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Bill: Cabinet Reform
Details
Submitted by[?]: Alorian Front Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: November 3735
Description[?]:
| Some type of Vote of no confidence should be put in place to further democracy and to enforce checks and balances. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The constitutional right and responsibility to propose a cabinet to the legislature.
Old value:: Only the Head of State can propose a cabinet coalition.
Current: Each party can propose a cabinet coalition.
Proposed: Each party can propose a cabinet coalition.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 04:23:50, September 29, 2014 CET | From | The House of Verrell-Luthori | To | Debating the Cabinet Reform |
| Message | I, in Luthori's opinion, would deny this obvious attempt to take over the country if your leading parties are smart they would deny this |
| Date | 04:36:04, September 29, 2014 CET | From | Royal Conservative Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Reform |
| Message | Is there no end to the lengths that the AFP will go to grab power? |
| Date | 04:39:07, September 29, 2014 CET | From | Alorian Front Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Reform |
| Message | AFP honestly has no intention to grab power.We only insist on developing a more democratic Aloria.In most parliamentary systems,there is a checks and balance system.There is currently none in Aloria,also Aloria is at with Luthori,they should have no say in our politics. |
| Date | 04:58:04, September 29, 2014 CET | From | Royal Conservative Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Reform |
| Message | So why did you vote against a similar proposal to keep the current law before? It's because you were in government and were making sure you secured power. Now you are not in power the last 4-5 years you have tried every underhand law change and trick possible to get you back into power. Your exact words last time it came up. "Cabinet is developed by the President to assist him in executing his executive powers.If we give it to the largest parties,that will only cause gridlock,as two ideologies will be conflicted.It is more responsible for the President to appoint who he feels will handle the job best and represent his views." |
| Date | 05:21:05, September 29, 2014 CET | From | Alorian Front Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Reform |
| Message | If you fully analyze the bases of that conversation,the bill that was proposed only allowed the President and the two largest parties to propose.Which can indeed cause gridlock if both parties have two different ideologies.By making the cabinet proposal more universal we ensure that democracy is maintained and strengthen.Along with assuring that all members of government are doing their job.Currently if we track back to when AFP was first established I was indeed in support of having more say in government by all parliament members,compared to RCP apparent alliance requests.Currently our government is being dictated by just one person,when it should be dictated by everyone,who is capable of governing. We will ask for the RCP to apologize for their blatant attacks and accusations against the AFP. As we have done nothing in the last few years to jeopardize or remove his power of the government.Although we believe our voting system is flawed,we will respect the people's choice and leave it up to them to decide if our voting system must be changed.AFP just simply believes in a government for all and ruled by all,not by a select few.This current system allows bullying and corruption and prevents each party from speaking their minds and voting the way they feel,in fear that if they do not,we will not be able to be a apart of the cabinet.Cabinet should be based on merit and skill set.Not political promises. Orion Thorn Alorian Front Party leader. |
| Date | 05:45:37, September 29, 2014 CET | From | Royal Conservative Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Reform |
| Message | Haha, priceless. One voter one vote, universal suffrage and proportional representation are flawed. You're alright with it being a select few when you are one of the select few aren't you as shown with the last vote. We all know you are trying to grab power, just stop pretending. I have never met a party that has thrown and acted with such a hissy fit when they have lost power. The UCP and LRP and all other parties have taken election results with good grace and I respect them for that. I will endeavor in the future to follow their example after bad elections. The cabinet should be based on what the people want, if they chose certain parties a president or a coalition to rule then it is that who should be in the cabinet. That is how democracy works. They choose a president party or coalition. If the people wanted the AFP to be in power at the last election they would have voted you in president or given the party over 50% of the vote. But they did not, they voted for the coalition I am in. Therefor my coalition is the government. You act like you have a god given right to be in power, i'm sorry but you don't. We all must respond to the people. There will be times not enough people will vote for me, but instead of complaining about it. And complaining about the electoral system I will instead work to win back the support of the Alorian people. Last time it was I had too many votes and the electoral system is rubbish. This time it's crying over losing the presidential election. Last election the people said no to rule by the AFP, just accept it. All the other parties and coalitions of Aloria do when they lose. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 166 | ||||||
| no |
Total Seats: 293 | ||||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 41 |
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