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Bill: Religious Freedoms Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: Conservative Monarchist Alliance
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: July 3746
Description[?]:
| As a first step towards making Lodamun a more liberal and harmonious society, and also towards restoring our relationship with other nations, we should lift the restrictions which inhibit Hosians and other religious groups from freely practising their faith. In particular, religious people and religious groups should be able to share their faith and appoint and pay their religious ministers without being unduly interfered with by the state. Anton Rietveld Chairman of the Conservative Monarchist Alliance |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The state's intervention in the appointment of ministers of religion.
Old value:: The state appoints all heads and other ministers of all religions.
Current: The state does not intervene in the appointment of ministers of any religion whatsoever.
Proposed: The state does not intervene in the appointment of ministers of any religion whatsoever.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Government policy towards evangelism and religious advertising.
Old value:: Religions are required to obtain government approval before promoting themselves or advertising in any manner.
Current: Religions are permitted to freely promote and advertise themselves.
Proposed: Religions are permitted to freely promote and advertise themselves.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change Remuneration of ministers of religion.
Old value:: The salaries and pensions of ministers of religion shall be borne by the state and regulated by the law.
Current: The state does not intervene in the remuneration of ministers of religion.
Proposed: The state does not intervene in the remuneration of ministers of religion.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 04:11:01, October 19, 2014 CET | From | People of Freedom (P.F) | To | Debating the Religious Freedoms Act |
| Message | Mr. Speaker. This would take a highly religious state. Or a state that appreciates its religion to a Secular state in an instant. And for what? This would cause chaos. The blatant disregard for the people by the CMA doesn't suprise us. Matteo Powers Minister of Internal Affairs Director of LSS |
| Date | 04:21:01, October 19, 2014 CET | From | Conservative Monarchist Alliance | To | Debating the Religious Freedoms Act |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, This Bill is not about putting religion into the state. Rather, it is about taking religion *out* of the state and letting our citizens practice their faith freely. What could possibly be so wrong with that? Anton Rietveld Chairman of the Conservative Monarchist Alliance |
| Date | 04:34:48, October 19, 2014 CET | From | Movement for Percyism | To | Debating the Religious Freedoms Act |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, We find these reforms to soon and higly dangerous, so dangerous it even could lead towards a civil war. We have seen by the previous reforms that our ex President was gunned down in a plot with nationalistc army officers. We think that the non-believers of Nationalism have their rights protected to practice their religion at home in private. ----- Amdrew Desmedt Faction Leader EL in the Presidium |
| Date | 04:38:43, October 19, 2014 CET | From | People of Freedom (P.F) | To | Debating the Religious Freedoms Act |
| Message | Mr. Speaker. This is what I dont get about the CMA. Whose agenda are they serving if it is NOT the people? To not even think that they would be upsetting over 300 years etc of tradition. And create no enemies. They would be gravely mistaken. Raven Valentinn Minister of Justice |
| Date | 05:54:56, October 19, 2014 CET | From |  Great National Republican Guard | To | Debating the Religious Freedoms Act |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, These are impractial to implement, and would effectively abolish Lodamese Nationalism. Lodamese Nationalism is a religion that is about the state. The ministers of Lodamese Nationalism must be appointed by the state, and paid by the state. The ideals of Lodamese Nationalism are whatever laws exist as current, therefore it is a democratic religion. -- Gordon Fertig, Chairman of the GNRG, Opposition Leader |
| Date | 14:54:47, October 19, 2014 CET | From | Conservative Monarchist Alliance | To | Debating the Religious Freedoms Act |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, The freedom to share one's faith and form churches or associations of like-minded believers is a very basic one which has long been accepted by the civilised world. Continuing with these restrictions is damaging not only to the liberty of our citizens, but to our relations with the rest of Terra. Anton Rietveld Chairman of the Conservative Monarchist Alliance |
| Date | 18:53:14, October 19, 2014 CET | From | Grand Nationalist Fraction | To | Debating the Religious Freedoms Act |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, we must object. the last time religions were admitted into our country, we had a religion entering Lodamun with as means nothing but to destroy our nation. Luckily we did not admit this religion and we could exterminate the missionaries. In our opinion, each religion should be screened before they receive the right to promote themselves, just to exclude the intolerant and dangerous religions. Firmin Cafmeyer Expert on Internal Affairs for LNC |
| Date | 01:41:25, October 20, 2014 CET | From | Conservative Monarchist Alliance | To | Debating the Religious Freedoms Act |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, Recent history and present experience tells us that by far the most intolerant and dangerous of the religions in Lodamun is the official one of so-called "Lodamese Nationalism". Anton Rietveld Chairman of the Conservative Monarchist Alliance |
| Date | 14:18:27, October 20, 2014 CET | From | Social Libermuns Party | To | Debating the Religious Freedoms Act |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, We agree with the LNC. The last time we gave religious leeway, there was an unprecedented amount of bad in Lodamun. The country is not ready. We've not yet changed enough to make this an option. Terra's views are irrelevant. Lodamese are the people we serve. As things are right now, we consider Lodamun quite progressive in it's religious laws. Isn't Nationalism no longer mandatory? ~ Rowan Argall. SLP Leader |
| Date | 14:21:25, October 20, 2014 CET | From | Great National Republican Guard | To | Debating the Religious Freedoms Act |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, Lodamun won't be considered to have "religious freedom" until Hosians are free to dictate our laws, and make Hosianism the official religion. The CMA has an agenda against Lodamese Nationalism, because Lodamese Nationalism prevents them from installing their crazy monarchy. We warned everyone the last time, and no-one believed us. -- Gordon Fertig, Chairman of the GNRG |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes | Total Seats: 40 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 415 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 144 |
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