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Bill: Devolution of Housing Policy

Details

Submitted by[?]: Radical Freedom Party

Status[?]: defeated

Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: July 2167

Description[?]:

The RFP believes that Housing Policy should be a matter for local governments to decide. Housing needs vary regionally, and governments ought to be allowed to adopt their own, local solutions. The RFP is not very happy with the current 'corporatist' system where the Federal government hands out large construction contracts for to big companies for all Rutanian housing.

Proposals

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date16:53:12, January 03, 2006 CET
From Liberal Imperialist Party
ToDebating the Devolution of Housing Policy
Message"No, we must have a consistent national policy and coordination at the national level."

- RSDP, on the local government bill.

I think it's quite clear that the RSDP is only proposing this to remove the blanket commitment to the free market, not out of any real ideological support for federalism. We vote against this cynical rubbish.

Date17:39:39, January 03, 2006 CET
From Liberal Imperialist Party
ToDebating the Devolution of Housing Policy
Message"The RFP is not very happy with the current 'corporatist' system where the Federal government hands out large construction contracts for to big companies for all Rutanian housing."

1) Why is this bad? You need to present reasons.

2) Why do you assume that they are "big" companies? Clearly we arent handing out the entire contract for the whole country to 1 company - they could be any number of companies of any number of different sizes.

3) What advantage would the proposed system offer?

You have failed to answer any of these questions, you have just said that you dont like big companies and you assume that everyone will take the same narrow, unsubstantiated view without requiring any reasoning.

Date18:27:09, January 03, 2006 CET
From RSDP - Democratic Front
ToDebating the Devolution of Housing Policy
MessageAt least the current system guarantees that there is a form of public housing for the poor, the people with low incomes, and the unemployed. We therefore oppose this bill.

Date20:13:26, January 03, 2006 CET
From Radical Freedom Party
ToDebating the Devolution of Housing Policy
MessageTo the Rt. Hon. members of the LIP I say - read again. This was not a social-democratic proposal, and the social democrats in fact oppose it.

The current legislation has nothing to do with the free market, and it has everything to do with corporatism. The RFP opposes corporatism, and many of the recievers of government contracts right now are large and very wealthy housing companies that live on funding from the government teat. We fear that public funds are being misused in this way.

Date18:56:25, January 04, 2006 CET
From Liberal Imperialist Party
ToDebating the Devolution of Housing Policy
Message"To the Rt. Hon. members of the LIP I say - read again. This was not a social-democratic proposal, and the social democrats in fact oppose it. "

[OOC: Sorry about that, I read your name wrong.]

"The current legislation has nothing to do with the free market, and it has everything to do with corporatism."

So the free market shouldnt involve corporations, now? *rolleyes*

"The RFP opposes corporatism, and many of the recievers of government contracts right now are large and very wealthy housing companies that live on funding from the government teat."

So long as they gained the contracts through a fair and competitive system (which they have) in what way is this different to any other contract a company may receive, and why is it wrong?

"We fear that public funds are being misused in this way."

Run! The evil nast corporations are coming to get you! *rolleyes*

Date03:59:53, January 05, 2006 CET
From Radical Freedom Party
ToDebating the Devolution of Housing Policy
MessageYou are quite correct. We feel that "competition" and "government hands our huge contracts to friendly megacorporations" are, qualitatively, different things.

Date13:03:03, January 05, 2006 CET
From Liberal Imperialist Party
ToDebating the Devolution of Housing Policy
MessageYes. The former is the current position of the government, the latter is a strawman distortion of the current position of the government.

Date21:33:44, January 05, 2006 CET
From Radical Freedom Party
ToDebating the Devolution of Housing Policy
MessageState contracts for public housing have nothing to do with competition. The RSDP recognises that, and therefore opposes this sound-minded proposal.

Date21:41:19, January 05, 2006 CET
From Liberal Imperialist Party
ToDebating the Devolution of Housing Policy
MessageIf they dont (which I believe they do, and you have presented no evidence that they dont) then that is an administrative problem which our own coalition can rectify with a single wave of our executive wand. The RSDP is voting against this.

Date21:41:38, January 05, 2006 CET
From RSDP - Democratic Front
ToDebating the Devolution of Housing Policy
MessageWe do not oppose this bill for that reason. We don't care WHO provides the public housing (although we would prefer it if the State did so), as long as there actually is public housing. This bill would, in our view, undermine that certitude.

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Voting

Vote Seats
yes
   

Total Seats: 231

no
     

Total Seats: 339

abstain
 

Total Seats: 29


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