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Bill: Terrorist Organisation Classification
Details
Submitted by[?]: Grand Nationalist Fraction
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: November 3754
Description[?]:
| Upon passage of this bill we classify the HLF as a terrorist Organisation and give our policing forces and armed forces permission to actively search and arrest these individuals. The Justice Department will decide what will happen with these individuals afterwards. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The citizens' right to assemble in public.
Old value:: The police may disperse a group if they believe it poses a potential risk to public safety.
Current: The police may only disperse a crowd if a state of emergency has been declared.
Proposed: The police may disperse a group without giving any reason.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Government's policy towards the powers of the police.
Old value:: The police may arrest crime suspects.
Current: The police may arrest crime suspects.
Proposed: The powers of the police are not restricted.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy towards police presence.
Old value:: The police patrol public property at all times.
Current: The police patrol public property at all times.
Proposed: The police patrol all property at all times.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 22:38:09, November 03, 2014 CET | From | People of Freedom (P.F) | To | Debating the Terrorist Organisation Classification |
| Message | Mr. Speaker. The cabinet is without a president. There is no one giving instructions. This causes great concern. We support this and would like to expand this into a treaty. However communication has been lost through out the chain of command. I would like to state as defunct internal minister that in my tenure. I have ordered the pursue of members of upper leadership I located a few. Under orders of the president we decided not to act as another country was going to give the president intel on many other leader would have led to mass suppression of this group as well as working with Valcruzia on this common goal. U would like the incumbent minister of internal affairs and director of the LSS ro continue these operations. So much more I need to pass onto the next director. However certain things I cannot mention because of national security. Matteo Powers Defunct Minister of Internal Affairs Director of LSS |
| Date | 00:03:59, November 04, 2014 CET | From | Conservative Monarchist Alliance | To | Debating the Terrorist Organisation Classification |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, Nobody in the Presidium doubts that the Hosian Liberation Force (HLF) is a terrorist organisation which needs to be stamped out. However, we should seek clarification on what this Bill means by giving the police a "licence to kill". Of course, in dangerous situations where the lives of citizens and police officers are at risk, it may be necessary for the police to shoot - and the current system already recognises that. What we could not support is a move towards shooting HLF members or suspected HLF members on sight. That would not be the right route to go down. A fair judicial process needs to be followed. Anton Rietveld Chairman of the Conservative Monarchist Alliance |
| Date | 05:14:58, November 04, 2014 CET | From | Grand Nationalist Fraction | To | Debating the Terrorist Organisation Classification |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, I hope we're not going to trial terrorists. Maybe we could give our security forces the right to arrest on suspicion of terrorism. Then the Justice Department can handle the matter afterwards. Little John Murphy-Spaak Judicial Expert for LNC |
| Date | 21:22:38, November 04, 2014 CET | From | People of Freedom (P.F) | To | Debating the Terrorist Organisation Classification |
| Message | Mr. Speaker. The people have spoken in our recent election they agree with our parties policies. Viva JDP! Raven Valentinn JDP Deputy Leader |
| Date | 23:18:42, November 04, 2014 CET | From | People of Freedom (P.F) | To | Debating the Terrorist Organisation Classification |
| Message | Mr. Speaker. We would like more clarity on this bill. What is the current minister of internal affairs grand strategy of dealing with this terrorist threat. More needs to be done. Matteo Powers Leader of the JDP (Opposition) |
| Date | 04:29:44, November 06, 2014 CET | From | Social Libermuns Party | To | Debating the Terrorist Organisation Classification |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, We have often found ourselves agreeing with the JDP on these matters, and the SLP would like to get some more clarity as well. ~ Rowan Argall SLP Leader |
| Date | 05:58:36, November 06, 2014 CET | From | Grand Nationalist Fraction | To | Debating the Terrorist Organisation Classification |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, if or when this bill passes, HLF will be seen as a terrorist organisation. Police will be given extended powers to locate and arrest individuals that have gotten anything to do with this organisation. There will be questionings after which a rapport should be filed with the Justice Department. If the Justice Department, after finishing a checklist, finds the individuals guilty of terrorist acts or support of a terrorist organisation, the will get punished, probably death by hanging. Little John Murphy-Spaak Minister of Justice |
| Date | 11:40:42, November 06, 2014 CET | From | People of Freedom (P.F) | To | Debating the Terrorist Organisation Classification |
| Message | Mr. Speaker. We dont believe the measurement used in this bill will stop an organization like the HLF. Matteo Powers JDP Leader Opposition |
| Date | 15:26:33, November 06, 2014 CET | From | Social Libermuns Party | To | Debating the Terrorist Organisation Classification |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, We would like to add to the JDP's statement. This bill will not target the HLF but our own citizens. This is the wrong way to go about stamping out the Hosian Liberation Force. This is just intrusive policing. ~ Rowan Argall SLP Leader |
| Date | 18:04:21, November 06, 2014 CET | From | Liber Populi | To | Debating the Terrorist Organisation Classification |
| Message | OOC: I have no idea who the HLF REALLY are , i mean without biased opinion just fact. Anyone willing to message me and bring me up to speed otherwise I'd have to assume this simply extreme discrimination as seems likely and vote against |
| Date | 18:35:00, November 06, 2014 CET | From | People of Freedom (P.F) | To | Debating the Terrorist Organisation Classification |
| Message | Mr. Speaker. We feel the current government has no idea of how to combat foreign terrorist organizations. This worries us. The LSS played a vital role in gathering intelligence on this group. Yet it would seem this is dismissed for a preferred system of restricting our citizens lives. This is exactly what the HLF would want. Scare the people into submission and LNC proposal Dissapointingly serves their goal. Sad sad day in Lodamun. Matteo Powers Leader of the JDP Leader of the Opposition |
| Date | 00:01:46, November 07, 2014 CET | From |  Great National Republican Guard | To | Debating the Terrorist Organisation Classification |
| Message | OOC: The HLF is an extremist religious group which bombed an abortion clinic shortly after the CMA failed to pass an anti-abortion bill in the Presidium. |
| Date | 02:17:15, November 07, 2014 CET | From | Conservative Monarchist Alliance | To | Debating the Terrorist Organisation Classification |
| Message | OOC: Check out the 'News from Lodamun' thread on the International News sub-forum for more information on the Hosian Liberation Front (HLF) and other goings-on in Lodamun. The forum is well worth signing up to :). Feel free to post there. |
| Date | 02:19:29, November 07, 2014 CET | From | Conservative Monarchist Alliance | To | Debating the Terrorist Organisation Classification |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, Whilst we support the fight against terrorism, we cannot support all of the measures outlined in this Bill because they do not sufficiently safeguard the civil liberties of our citizens. Anton Rietveld Chairman of the Conservative Monarchist Alliance |
| Date | 07:05:26, November 07, 2014 CET | From | Grand Nationalist Fraction | To | Debating the Terrorist Organisation Classification |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, these measures will help the police fulfilling their tasks without herrassing too much innocent citizens. This will help the nation and its citizens. Firmin Cafmeyer Minister of Internal Affairs |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 173 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 344 | ||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 82 |
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