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Bill: The Church of Solent Establishment Act of 3763
Details
Submitted by[?]: Chann National Party (CNP)
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: October 3763
Description[?]:
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Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change State penalties for blasphemy
Old value:: No state penalties are issued for blasphemy.
Current: Both private and public blasphemy are considered grave offenses, and are heavily prosecuted.
Proposed: Both private and public blasphemy are considered criminal offenses.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Government policy concerning the visitation of foreign missionaries.
Old value:: The government has no policy concerning the visitation of foreign missionaries.
Current: The government selectively screens which religions are permitted to send missionaries to the nation. Certain religions are approved and travel is unregulated.
Proposed: Foreign missionaries are not permitted to enter the nation.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change The state's intervention in the appointment of ministers of religion.
Old value:: The state does not intervene in the appointment of ministers of any religion whatsoever.
Current: The state does not intervene in the appointment of ministers of any religion whatsoever.
Proposed: The state appoints all heads and other ministers of all religions.
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change Remuneration of ministers of religion.
Old value:: The state does not intervene in the remuneration of ministers of religion.
Current: The state does not intervene in the remuneration of ministers of religion.
Proposed: The salaries and pensions of ministers of religion shall be borne by the state and regulated by the law.
Article 5
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy with respect to prayer in schools.
Old value:: Teacher-led prayers in schools are forbidden, except in religious schools.
Current: Teacher-led prayers are mandatory in schools.
Proposed: Teacher-led prayers are mandatory in schools.
Article 6
Proposal[?] to change Government policy concerning religions.
Old value:: There is no official state religion, but the government only allows recognized religions. 'Cults' are persecuted.
Current: There is an official state religion, but membership is completely voluntary.
Proposed: There is an official state religion, and membership is mandatory.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 02:42:59, November 24, 2014 CET | From |  Solentias People Party | To | Debating the The Church of Solent Establishment Act of 3763 |
| Message | So CNP's version of freedom is more power to private companies, legal sex with animals, close to no restrictions on guns and the creation of a religous fundamentalist state? What we see here is the distruction of the modern Solentian state. |
| Date | 03:01:54, November 24, 2014 CET | From | Solentias People Party | To | Debating the The Church of Solent Establishment Act of 3763 |
| Message | A few years ago i made the following statement in the solentian times "Personally I would like to go further than that. I believe organized religion is nothing more than a reactionary virus in a enlightened society" After this bill has passed, something like that will be seen as a criminal offense. So if i do that again i risk going to jail. This is a direct attack on one of the founding principals of democracy: Freedom of speech |
| Date | 03:27:40, November 24, 2014 CET | From | Freedom Party | To | Debating the The Church of Solent Establishment Act of 3763 |
| Message | This Bill directly offends the citizens of Solentia, the goverment should be seperated from any religion, this is a basic concept for any democratic society, if the goverment is not a secular one, it hurts the freedom of speech and it obligates people to have a religion. This bill is unacceptable it hurts the individual rights by not giving people option to believe on whatever they want to believe. |
| Date | 13:46:36, November 24, 2014 CET | From | National Party | To | Debating the The Church of Solent Establishment Act of 3763 |
| Message | Hello, ladies and gentleman from this nation, Im Kalopia's Foreign Minister, and the Solentias People Party has requested my presence here to give a mind against this purpose, to show ya that the country I come from there aint no law Against blasphemy and The State has no Right to intervene in Religion whatsoever. In My Country, we all strictly defend the Liberty of Our People, as for example, defending their Right to SAY WHAT THEY WANT, such as any kind of blasphemy. By the laws of my nation, ya can see that theres nothing defending Government intervention on religion. Actually, as ya know, in my Nation churches are even taxed. I hope this bill does not get passed and the freedom of this country of yours is defended after all.. A Message from The Kalopian Minister of Foreign Relations.. |
| Date | 14:18:16, November 24, 2014 CET | From |  Parti Nationaliste 🌞 | To | Debating the The Church of Solent Establishment Act of 3763 |
| Message | Although Rildanor respects the implementation of democracy here in Solentia, Rildanor's position is that rights of the minority groups should be recognized and protected by the State. Our government is suggesting that Solentia can create their national Church or religion but imposing beliefs on someone who does not agree with them is unacceptable. Mathis Bonfils Foreign Minister, Rildanor |
| Date | 16:27:06, November 24, 2014 CET | From | Solentias People Party | To | Debating the The Church of Solent Establishment Act of 3763 |
| Message | CNP please listen to me, no other party is supporting these actions. Foreign countries are condemning them as undemocratic and oppressive against minorities. But most of all, you do not have the people with you. This is not what they voted for, you're tricking them. So please litsen to us all. But down this bill, stop this madness. So Solentia can stay a beautiful and free country. But if you insist on implementing this bill you will have nothing but enemies in this parliament. Let's avoid spilling blood. David Johnsson Chairman of SPP |
| Date | 20:04:07, November 24, 2014 CET | From | Solentias People Party | To | Debating the The Church of Solent Establishment Act of 3763 |
| Message | It's intressting how the CNP in this bill says that optional school prayer is against their principal of freedom of religion http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=421651 This just shows the crookedness of CNP |
| Date | 01:02:27, November 25, 2014 CET | From | Chann National Party (CNP) | To | Debating the The Church of Solent Establishment Act of 3763 |
| Message | "After receiving a personal letter from former president Mao-Xin Fuwan, President Samrin Chann has withdrawn CNP support for the bill." Wei Fuwan Speaker of Parliament |
| Date | 01:11:35, November 25, 2014 CET | From | Chann National Party (CNP) | To | Debating the The Church of Solent Establishment Act of 3763 |
| Message | FORMER PRESIDENT MAO-XIN FUWAN DEFENDS RELIGIOUS FREEDOM, CRITICIZES PRES. SAMRIN CHANN EDITORIAL - As a CNP elder, I rebuke the advances of President Samrin Chann in seeking to establish a state religion. History has proven again and again that religion in the hands of government becomes a relentless tyranny. From persecutions to inquisitions, the sovereign rights of citizens have been eviscerated and the blood of the martyrs of democracy have been spilled. These drastic, arbitrary and capricious acts to create a state religion is reminiscent of tyrannies past. Centuries ago, the founders of this party have fought against religious fundamentalism. Samrin Chann has proven himself a disgrace to his ancestors and his family. That is why I, Mao Xin Fuwan, will run in opposition against Samrin Chann for the CNP nomination and if I have the good fortune of being president once again, I will work to mend the great divide that the nation has experienced under Samrin Chann's administration." Sincerely, Mao Xin Fuwan President of the Democratic Republic of Solentia (3758-3762) |
| Date | 04:34:37, November 25, 2014 CET | From | Solentias People Party | To | Debating the The Church of Solent Establishment Act of 3763 |
| Message | This makes me happy to hear. Our confidence in the CNP is close to none after these radical bills, but we will always have both confidence and respect for former president Mao Xin Fuwan. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 0 | ||||
| no | Total Seats: 108 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 117 |
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