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Bill: OOC: Official Cultural Protocols Baltusia
Details
Submitted by[?]: Baltusia Partido Conservador
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: November 3772
Description[?]:
| LANGUAGE The nation of Baltusia herby affirms that it national culture is loosely based upon Latin America/Mexico with significant French (Quebec Based) and English minorities. The majority of character names should be in Spanish, while English and French names are acceptable as minorities. Spanish, English & French are all nationally recognized languages. Native names are also accepted as a minority as well. (Name Randomizer: http://www.behindthename.com/random/) Spanish, English, French & Native names should be mixed together. Since Baltusia has many language groups, English, French & Spanish are all acceptable languages to use during debating and naming and describing bills. If you choose not to use English, english translations are encouraged. (Google Translate: http://translate.google.com/m/translate) English, French & Spanish party names are permitted. Languages, Spanish 42% English 28% French 20% Native Languages 6% Other 4% Though only 28% speak english as their first language roughly 96% of all Baltusians can speak english. Since Baltusia has a number of immigrants from other nations other languages are also accepted but as a very small minority. ---------------------------------- CULTURE Cultural origins and influences: RP elements and agreements inspired by this bill (http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=239463) Native Batusians 'Amerindian' peoples live mostly in Terrarokka. The native tribes there have their own set of cultures which is based around millennia's of old traditions, mainly inspired by Amazon tribes as well as Inca, Maya, Native American/Canadian & Maori. Most of these tribes have been fully interpreted in Baltusian society but have kept their beliefs. Native Baltusian names are Native American/Canadian and Maori names. The English population lives mostly in the Province of Lindar Valley and they have lived there for centuries, they originally came down from Likatonia and have lived in Lindar a Valley ever since. Another big English population is along the coasts of Athosia, they are known as 'Athosians' while the English people in Lindar Valley are known as 'Lindars'. Most of the Spanish population lives in the heart of Baltusia in Gevaro, large Spanish populations are also found in Athosia and Terrarokka. The Spanish were originally below the English and the English used them to create there Baltusian Empire. After a century of Slavery and Social Hierarchy the government abolished the rules and everyone was equal. The French population is a very recent one, they are mostly from Alduria and Kanjor but people from Rildanor are also common. They mostly inhabit the Province of Albiland, they started coming in the early 3500s and are still immigrating in large numbers today. Demographics, Baltusian (Spanish) 40% Luthorian (English) 18% Canrillaise (French) 16% Native American/Maori 10% Valruzian (Polish) 4% Lodamese (English) 4% Tukarese (Chinese/Japanese) 3% Gaduri (Spanish/English/Chinese) 1% Other 4% *Please note, these numbers will not stagnate, should not fluctuate wildly. Large demographic changes shall only occur when large amounts of RP take place and all parties agree such as know. ---------------------------------- RELIGION Religious influences are mainly Hosianism (Christianity) and Patriarchal Churches (Catholicism) but also present is a strong atheist sense amoung the people, as well as indigenous beliefs. Demographics, Hosianism 39% >Patriarchal 17% >Luthorans 16% >Other Hosian 6% No Religion 36% >No Religion 27% >Atheist 9% Native Beliefs 8% Deanism 6% Yeudism 4% Amhadism 2% Other 5% *Please note, these numbers will not stagnate, should not fluctuate wildly. Large demographic changes shall only occur when large amounts of RP take place and all parties agree such as know. ---------------------------------- REGIONAL PROTOCOLS Gevaro: http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=420295 Athosia: http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=420296 Lindar Valley: http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=420297 Terrarokka: http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=420297 Albiland: http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=420303 ---------------------------------- Baltusia's page on particracy wiki is getting fairly old as well, I encourage you to make as factual many updates to it as you can, Im doing as much as I can, but I'm living a busy students life! Wiki: http://particracy.wikia.com/wiki/Baltusia I would also encourage you to make a wiki page for your party. Here is the Baltusian a News paper where you can post articles, http://forum.particracy.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=187&start=110 Be sure to follow the format that I have used of do something similar. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 02:23:17, December 12, 2014 CET | From | Baltusia Partido Conservador | To | Debating the OOC: Official Cultural Protocols Baltusia |
| Message | OOC: I switched the protocols to directly represent regional/provincial demographics and to get the re-recognized by moderation it needs to be voted on. So.... Vote Yes! :D |
| Date | 17:11:26, December 12, 2014 CET | From | Partido Democrático Cívico | To | Debating the OOC: Official Cultural Protocols Baltusia |
| Message | OOC: I have a number of objections to this. First of all there are no significant presence of Luthoris in Likatonia so their back story has to be corrected. Second - I don't think you are allowed to use RL languages/races so no Amerindians, English etc so you have to edit this to reflect that. Third - I believe there are too many English/Luthori people for a Seleyan country. Seleya has no strong history of Luthori settlement. And could we maybe increase the Native Baltusians a bit, say 15 percent or so? |
| Date | 17:12:50, December 12, 2014 CET | From | Government of Tropica | To | Debating the OOC: Official Cultural Protocols Baltusia |
| Message | I wish to have fauzjhian immigrate to Baltusia. |
| Date | 17:27:30, December 12, 2014 CET | From | Government of Tropica | To | Debating the OOC: Official Cultural Protocols Baltusia |
| Message | OOC: you can just put them at 1% and it is fine, I switch my vote. |
| Date | 19:36:47, December 12, 2014 CET | From | Baltusia Partido Conservador | To | Debating the OOC: Official Cultural Protocols Baltusia |
| Message | OOC: I can incorporate that for the communists yes, in a re-vote. As for what the Minority front is saying, the Luthori originally came in through Likatonia and through Athosia, look at the Kalistani hsitroy, I have talked tyo a few veteran pklayers on this subject as well and I have got their opinions. The native numbers were dominated by the Spanish colonization I will not be able to increase the native numbers. This census is acurate and I dont understand why the minorities are objecting to it. I will also switch out the Lanuages to their common particracy names becasue I was skeptical about that as well. |
| Date | 23:37:14, December 12, 2014 CET | From | Government of Tropica | To | Debating the OOC: Official Cultural Protocols Baltusia |
| Message | FOrget about it, I don,t exactly have much time to spendnnow |
| Date | 06:01:51, December 13, 2014 CET | From | Partido Democrático Cívico | To | Debating the OOC: Official Cultural Protocols Baltusia |
| Message | OOC: It's odd that Likatonia itself doesn't mention this : http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=344123 Would there be a lot of Luthoris in Likatonia if they did actually pass through? As for the Kalistan History, I find it questionable that Kalistani players would create history for Baltusia for their own page - it's probably invalid. I don't think Kalistan itself would like it if we created a history for them on our own history pages. On another note, I just realised that the Moderation already approved of this in the past so my opposition is frankly quite useless and just symbolic at this point. I did not object to the number of Natives, I just requested that they be increased.to make the country more interesting in my view. |
| Date | 15:48:28, December 13, 2014 CET | From | Baltusia Partido Conservador | To | Debating the OOC: Official Cultural Protocols Baltusia |
| Message | The history of Kalistan here, http://particracy.wikia.com/wiki/Complete_History_of_Kalistan Clearly states that the Luthori came through Likatonia and had efforts to colonize. They stayed in Lodamun and went as far south as Lindar Valley, that's why Lodamun has a large Luthori population even though they have never produced a census. Just because the Luthori came through Likatonia does not mean that they stayed in Likatonia. It also states in prior Baltusian cultural protocols that Athosia should be fairly Luthori as well, see here, http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=239463 This is because the Luthori settled on the coast of Athosia but Kalistani history says that Athosia was then taken over by Ikadronian colonists and separated from Baltusia. After it was virtually kicked out of its empire it join back with Baltusia when the government put have taxes on the ones who stayed and put birth limits on them. That's why any of them left are in the other category. |
| Date | 16:24:47, December 13, 2014 CET | From | Partido Democrático Cívico | To | Debating the OOC: Official Cultural Protocols Baltusia |
| Message | A few final comments Ah you do realise that the second link http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=239463 leads to something that was never passed with all votes against the measure? That means it's totally invalid. I could make a bill saying all the Baltusians are Martians but if the Congress votes against it , that means it's invalid. Likely the person who made that bill was one of those players who believe in Anglicizing the entire game without any historical basis. Kalistan's history is for the Kalistanis. It cannot be used as proof for Baltusian history. I don't think you got that point earlier. Again I could create a history for Baltusia saying you are descended from Martians who passed through my country. It would, as this does, mean absolutely nothing. Anyway as I said earlier, the Moderation already approved this so there's no reason to debate about it really since the Moderation appears to operate according to a variant of the Stare Decisis rule. |
| Date | 17:16:49, December 13, 2014 CET | From | Baltusia Partido Conservador | To | Debating the OOC: Official Cultural Protocols Baltusia |
| Message | I'm currently working on history for Baltusia so you don't have to bother. Anyways Kalistans history certainly affects Baltusia as it mentions Baltusia very thoroughly thought it. That's does not make it in auld just because it focuses on Kalistan, it talks about Baltusia many times too. |
| Date | 17:17:55, December 13, 2014 CET | From | Baltusia Partido Conservador | To | Debating the OOC: Official Cultural Protocols Baltusia |
| Message | Oh and it looks to me like whoever made Likatonias history just came into the nation for a few weeks to change it up without even checking its history. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes |
Total Seats: 345 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 41 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 49 |
| Random fact: Moderation will not approve a Cultural Protocol request within the first 48 hours of it being requested. This is in order to give other players a chance to query the proposed changes, if they wish to do so. Moderation may be approached for advice on a proposed change, but any advice proffered should always be understood under the provisio that no final decision will be made until at least 48 hours after the request has been formally submitted for approval. |
| Random quote: "How many legs does a dog have if you call its tail a leg? Four. Calling a dog's tail a leg does not make it a leg." - Abraham Lincoln |