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Bill: Changing the Head of State Title to Something that Isn't Stupid Act of 3772
Details
Submitted by[?]: Vorona Conservative Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: September 3773
Description[?]:
| We've already gone through Head of Counties [sic] Affairs, as proposed by the Republicans. Do we really need Minister-President, as proposed by Lib-Lib? President will do. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The formal title of the Head of State.
Old value:: His Majesty, Matthew I, by the Grace of God of the Kingdom of Vorona King, Head of the House of Westley, Defender of the Faith.
Current: His Royal Majesty, Head of House of Vlona-Egelion-Westbrook, King of Vorona, Defender of People and Constitution; presented by Governor General:
Proposed: President
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 06:44:04, December 14, 2014 CET | From | Libertarian-Liberal Alliance | To | Debating the Changing the Head of State Title to Something that Isn't Stupid Act of 3772 |
| Message | Mr Speaker, The fact that the future President of the state won't be elected directly by the people but by Parliament makes it de facto Minister-President. Also Prime Minister and President will be combined in to one function. Celia Thompson Prime Minister. |
| Date | 06:47:58, December 14, 2014 CET | From | Vorona Conservative Party | To | Debating the Changing the Head of State Title to Something that Isn't Stupid Act of 3772 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, It is a fact that the Magna Edictum will be repealed. It is a fact that the Internationalist Monarchist League Treaty will be repealed. Once they are, the NSVWP plans on introducing a bill to make the Head of State a position to be elected by the people. Vorona would then become a nation that would have a Head of State that would be elected by popular vote and a Prime Minister that would be head of a governing coalition. Anton Hachtel MP (NSVWP) Leader of the Opposition |
| Date | 06:49:43, December 14, 2014 CET | From | Vorona Independent Conservative Party | To | Debating the Changing the Head of State Title to Something that Isn't Stupid Act of 3772 |
| Message | Mr.Speaker, We agree with the NSVWP and will vote with them whenever they make the Head of state an elected official. |
| Date | 06:52:28, December 14, 2014 CET | From | Libertarian-Liberal Alliance | To | Debating the Changing the Head of State Title to Something that Isn't Stupid Act of 3772 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, Since when is the NSVWP concerned about "elections and democracy" . Isn't it your ultimate goal not a dictatorship? Claiming otherwise if foolish. So, please refrain yourself from democratic discussions since you are in fact a wolf in sheep's clothing. Celia Thompson Prime Minister |
| Date | 06:58:19, December 14, 2014 CET | From | Vorona Conservative Party | To | Debating the Changing the Head of State Title to Something that Isn't Stupid Act of 3772 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, We are not pursuing a dictatorship, we are pursuing free and fair elections for all. It is the Libertarians who do not want democracy. They don't even want a an elected head of state. And besides, how does Lib-Lib wish to go about naming the Head of State? All that it will say is: "Head of State: Minister-President". There is no way of identifying party affiliation or name recognition. Having an elected head of state and a separate head of government allows for correspondence and cooperation between parties. However, if the Lib-Lib is concerned about that, we can also always decide to have the head of state be elected and also act as the head of government, therefore abolishing the position of "Prime Minister". What does Lib-Lib want? Anton Hachtel MP (NSVWP) Leader of the Opposition |
| Date | 07:08:57, December 14, 2014 CET | From | Libertarian-Liberal Alliance | To | Debating the Changing the Head of State Title to Something that Isn't Stupid Act of 3772 |
| Message | Mr Speaker, It is rather clear. We want that the Minister-President is the head of government in which the parliamentary system of government prevails and who will presides over the council of ministers." Thus, the Minister President is Prime Minister and President at the same time and is elected by government majority. Celia Thompson Prime Minister |
| Date | 07:19:08, December 14, 2014 CET | From | Vorona Conservative Party | To | Debating the Changing the Head of State Title to Something that Isn't Stupid Act of 3772 |
| Message | OOC: That's what the President does. Search up India and their government, or even Germany. President = Head of State Prime Minister = Head of Government But you're proposing that the Head of State is an appointed official that serves forever. The Head of State should be an elected position, and we are going to pass the bill through (by "we" I mean the VRP and the NSVWP). We believe in democracy. Lib-Lib believes in total control. |
| Date | 07:24:47, December 14, 2014 CET | From | Libertarian-Liberal Alliance | To | Debating the Changing the Head of State Title to Something that Isn't Stupid Act of 3772 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, The parliament decides after each election, or if the coalition in advance agree to continue the coalition under the current circumstances then the Minister-President has another term. Basically: Head of State will be: Prime Minister and President. OOC: Germany elects their President by parliament, but hold a strict ceremonial function. What i propose is that the Prime Minister would also bear the function and title of the President. |
| Date | 07:35:20, December 14, 2014 CET | From | Vorona Conservative Party | To | Debating the Changing the Head of State Title to Something that Isn't Stupid Act of 3772 |
| Message | OOC: If you're suggesting the Prime Minister also act as the head of state, then just change the title to Prime Minister and then the Prime Minister would be both Head of State and Head of Government. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||
| yes | Total Seats: 23 | ||
| no | Total Seats: 76 | ||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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