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Bill: Re-establishment of Lodamese Nationalism as State Religion
Details
Submitted by[?]: Movement for Percyism
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: June 3778
Description[?]:
Mr. Speaker, We want to re-establish Lodamese Nationalism as the official state religion of Lodamun, yet membership is completely voluntary. Hannes Percy Chairman NAP |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government policy concerning religions.
Old value:: There is no government policy concerning a state religion.
Current: There is no government policy concerning a state religion.
Proposed: There is an official state religion, but membership is completely voluntary.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
Date | 15:38:35, December 23, 2014 CET | From | Ecumenical Constitutional Democrat Party | To | Debating the Re-establishment of Lodamese Nationalism as State Religion |
Message | Mr. Speaker, On the contrary, all adherents of Lodamese Nationalism should be put on trail for crimes against our community. Perhaps the grunting thug-man Hannes Percy would like to be animalised, like his vile ancestors did to ours? |
Date | 16:00:55, December 23, 2014 CET | From | Grand Nationalist Fraction | To | Debating the Re-establishment of Lodamese Nationalism as State Religion |
Message | Mr. Speaker, you have our support. P |
Date | 16:01:19, December 23, 2014 CET | From | Grand Nationalist Fraction | To | Debating the Re-establishment of Lodamese Nationalism as State Religion |
Message | *Paulien Murphy-Spaak LNC spokesman |
Date | 16:02:48, December 23, 2014 CET | From | Great National Republican Guard | To | Debating the Re-establishment of Lodamese Nationalism as State Religion |
Message | Mr. Speaker, As agents of the state, ministers of Lodamese Nationalism will need to be paid by the state. Also, we should have a discussion in the Presidium about what values will be promoted by Lodamese Nationalism, since the state controls the values of the religion. I have understood that not many persons like the Fertigist school of Lodamese Nationalism. Also, before any of the new parties comment on this bill, I advise them to learn about Lodamese Nationalism instead of making assumptions about what it is: 3515: http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=386761 3529: http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=389248 3625: http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=402289 3698: http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=413104 -- Andre Fertig, Chairman of the GNRG, Minister of Trade & Industry, Vice President of Lodamun |
Date | 16:04:09, December 23, 2014 CET | From | Ecumenical Constitutional Democrat Party | To | Debating the Re-establishment of Lodamese Nationalism as State Religion |
Message | That goes for the deranged tub-thumper state botherers in the LNC and GNRG too. Go worship tax-collectors and bureaucracy in private, lunatics. |
Date | 16:07:56, December 23, 2014 CET | From | Great National Republican Guard | To | Debating the Re-establishment of Lodamese Nationalism as State Religion |
Message | Mr. Speaker, I prefer to worship the GDR than to pray to the imaginary "god" of the Monotheist Brotherhood. -- Andre Fertig, Chairman of the GNRG, Minister of Trade & Industry, Vice President of Lodamun |
Date | 16:09:54, December 23, 2014 CET | From | Ecumenical Constitutional Democrat Party | To | Debating the Re-establishment of Lodamese Nationalism as State Religion |
Message | We advice the new Left parties to reject this bizarre Fascist cargo cult. |
Date | 16:13:44, December 23, 2014 CET | From | Great National Republican Guard | To | Debating the Re-establishment of Lodamese Nationalism as State Religion |
Message | And in favour of what, Mr. Speaker? Hosian terrorists? Hosianism is based on the worship of an imaginary god, and the acknowledgement of silly prohibitions on sexuality. Lodamese Nationalism is a religion that emphasises the power of the state. Unlike the ancient unchaning rules of Hosianism, Lodamese Nationalism is based on legislation set by the democratically-elected Presidium. Lodamese Nationalism has never acted against the state or its laws, unlike Hosian terrorists. -- Andre Fertig, Chairman of the GNRG, Minister of Trade & Industry, Vice President of Lodamun |
Date | 16:17:37, December 23, 2014 CET | From | Ecumenical Constitutional Democrat Party | To | Debating the Re-establishment of Lodamese Nationalism as State Religion |
Message | Mr. Speaker, This wild eyed, frothing sub-human known as Andre Fertig seriously worships something humans have created to serve themselves. He's THAT stupid, he'll be starting a religion based on washing machines or condoms next. God is something universal to human experience, found in every culture and nation throughout all of Terran history, a concept deeply rooted in philosophy, art and culture. |
Date | 16:24:57, December 23, 2014 CET | From | Great National Republican Guard | To | Debating the Re-establishment of Lodamese Nationalism as State Religion |
Message | Mr. Speaker, Yes, our citizens prefer the state that serves themselves instead of a "god" character that is seen as superior to humans. We know that the Monotheist Brotherhood isn't a fan of hygeine or safe sex, but they should really keep their foreign values to themselves. The "god" of the Monotheist Brotherhood is nothing but a symbol of oppression of the people. Lodamese Nationalism is based on legislation that is created and enacted by democratically-elected representatives of the people. -- Andre Fertig, Chairman of the GNRG, Minister of Trade & Industry, Vice President of Lodamun |
Date | 18:49:56, December 23, 2014 CET | From | Democratic Labour Party | To | Debating the Re-establishment of Lodamese Nationalism as State Religion |
Message | Mr. Speaker, We rise today to voice our objection to this bill. If the people of the Lodamun should choose to engage in this so called "religion" then certainly they should be free to, but we do feel that any state sponsored religion, especially one as fascist in nature as this one, is dangerous. We would propose that the state stay out of religious matters and leave the people to choose which manner of faith they would ascribe to. Joshua Fauver Democratic Labour Party leader |
Date | 19:36:23, December 23, 2014 CET | From | Great National Republican Guard | To | Debating the Re-establishment of Lodamese Nationalism as State Religion |
Message | Mr. Speaker, Fauver doesn't understand. We had advised him to read and learn before a speaking. Lodamese Nationalism is about the state. -- Andre Fertig, Chairman of the GNRG ,Minister of Trade & Industry, Vice President of Lodamun |
Date | 20:49:10, December 23, 2014 CET | From | Democratic Labour Party | To | Debating the Re-establishment of Lodamese Nationalism as State Religion |
Message | Mr. Speaker, Fetig's categorization of me not understanding is incorrect. I read all of the links provided. I understand is nationalism and is about the state, however, my comment was about his desire to categorize it as the official RELIGION of Lodamun. Perhaps Mr. Fertig is just oblivious to what his bill is aiming at accomplishing. My objection was clear. I object on the grounds of there being any official state religion, whether it is one based on blind nationalism or one that calls for worshiping mounds of rocks. I don't like the idea of religion and government getting in the bed together. The bastard child that is sure to result from such a thing happening is what frightens me. Joshua Fauver Democratic Labour Party leader |
Date | 21:32:28, December 23, 2014 CET | From | Great National Republican Guard | To | Debating the Re-establishment of Lodamese Nationalism as State Religion |
Message | And again, Mr. Speaker, Fauver proves that he doesn't know what we're talking about. "Lodamese Nationalism" isn't like typical Nationalism, and has actually rejected the anti-immigration stance and the idea that only locally-born persons (excluding 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants) should be citizens. "Lodamese Nationalism" which is a specific ideology, not typical Nationalism, asserts that "Lodamun" is a community which welcomes anyone to join, as long as they are loyal to the state and obey its laws. It is not blind Nationalism and it is not arrogant Jingoism. We strongly advise Fauver to read and understand "Lodamese Nationalism" before further commenting on it. It's either this, or Hosianism will take over. -- Andre Fertig, Chairman of the GNRG, Minister of Trade & Industry, Vice President of Lodamun |
Date | 00:30:39, December 24, 2014 CET | From | Liberal National Party | To | Debating the Re-establishment of Lodamese Nationalism as State Religion |
Message | Mr. Speaker, This is the most bazar bill we have seen in this house. I don't want to be rude but really, Nationalism is where it belongs is in the dust bin of history. This continued attack on people individual liberty, this will open the door to fascism, you are bullying you are a closet fascist and yes you're a disgrace to this house and your party to our nation! I yield. |
Date | 01:36:21, December 24, 2014 CET | From | Ecumenical Constitutional Democrat Party | To | Debating the Re-establishment of Lodamese Nationalism as State Religion |
Message | Mr. Speaker, If the Presidum voted that shit was divine, Andre Fertig would probably accept that - we presume, such is the baseless logic of his argument. Some things in this universe exist in the realm of the transcendent and the sublime, and are beyond the grubby little hands of the piggy little Socialist pen-pushers like the current Minister for Trade and Industry. You could present us with mountains of paper work and stuffed ballot boxes filled with the opinions of every welfare queen and feral savage who supports Lodamunese Nationalism, and we would never denounce the Lord our God, who was worshipped in Lodamun for countless centuries before the first generation of nationalists were dragged screaming to hell. |
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Voting
Vote | Seats | ||||
yes |
Total Seats: 206 | ||||
no |
Total Seats: 267 | ||||
abstain |
Total Seats: 126 |
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