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Bill: Childrens' Freedom Act, 2166
Details
Submitted by[?]: Liberal Imperialist Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: July 2168
Description[?]:
| Free our children from the shackles of enforced unemployment! [OOC: Ive changed it to the more moderate proposal; put to vote.] |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning child labour.
Old value:: Child labour is forbidden.
Current: Child labour is forbidden.
Proposed: Child labour is allowed, but with additional regulations to those of adult labourers.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 20:48:02, January 05, 2006 CET | From | Libertarian Alcoholic Party II | To | Debating the Childrens' Freedom Act, 2166 |
| Message | This is ok I guess, but we'd prefer it was regulated more heavily than adult labour to stop children working in mines, stripclubs and other stuff like that. |
| Date | 21:18:57, January 05, 2006 CET | From | Radical Freedom Party | To | Debating the Childrens' Freedom Act, 2166 |
| Message | For that reason alone we are completely against this proposal. Child labour should never be allowed. |
| Date | 21:23:59, January 05, 2006 CET | From | Liberal Imperialist Party | To | Debating the Childrens' Freedom Act, 2166 |
| Message | "For that reason alone we are completely against this proposal. Child labour should never be allowed." So children shouldnt be allowed to have paperrounds or work in shops :rolleyes: |
| Date | 21:31:54, January 05, 2006 CET | From | Radical Freedom Party | To | Debating the Childrens' Freedom Act, 2166 |
| Message | Child labour is not the same as child work, and you should be aware of that. |
| Date | 21:39:55, January 05, 2006 CET | From |  RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the Childrens' Freedom Act, 2166 |
| Message | I think we may be able to reach a good compromise here, select the "heavy regulation" option if there is one (if not, the "ordinary regulation" option will do), and add an addendum saying something along the lines of "Child labour shall be banned in all its forms, child work shall be considered legal and shall additional safeguards to adult labour". What do you think? |
| Date | 21:43:28, January 05, 2006 CET | From | Liberal Imperialist Party | To | Debating the Childrens' Freedom Act, 2166 |
| Message | "Child labour is not the same as child work, and you should be aware of that." Yes, it is. Your attempts to morph the English language to try to make the coded particracy options sound like things they arent meant to is becoming RSDP-like. "I think we may be able to reach a good compromise here, select the "heavy regulation" option if there is one (if not, the "ordinary regulation" option will do), and add an addendum saying something along the lines of "Child labour shall be banned in all its forms, child work shall be considered legal and shall additional safeguards to adult labour". What do you think?" We would support this if requisite support for what we have now is not forthcoming. |
| Date | 21:51:33, January 05, 2006 CET | From | RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the Childrens' Freedom Act, 2166 |
| Message | "Yes, it is. Your attempts to morph the English language to try to make the coded particracy options sound like things they arent meant to is becoming RSDP-like." OOC: He is absolutely right, you know. "Child labour" and "child work" are two related but entirely different concepts according to official UN terminology. |
| Date | 22:05:23, January 05, 2006 CET | From | Liberal Imperialist Party | To | Debating the Childrens' Freedom Act, 2166 |
| Message | OOC: Labour = work. I speak English, not UN-babble. |
| Date | 03:47:25, January 06, 2006 CET | From | Nationalist Party | To | Debating the Childrens' Freedom Act, 2166 |
| Message | For Rutania to be Great, it needs all Rutanians to stand up. Including the Children of these lands. Support |
| Date | 03:59:16, January 06, 2006 CET | From | Radical Freedom Party | To | Debating the Childrens' Freedom Act, 2166 |
| Message | OOC: this issue regulates "child labour". Look up the definition of "child labour" and then maybe you have an idea what this issue is about. IC: Let me get this straight... Rutania can only be great if eight year olds work in the saltmines? That is an odd definition of greatness. |
| Date | 04:04:12, January 06, 2006 CET | From | Radical Freedom Party | To | Debating the Childrens' Freedom Act, 2166 |
| Message | Did it occur to any of the parties who consider supporting this that turning Rutania into a fucking 19th century workhouse is BAD for civil rights? ((Unless Wegason or another mod changed the coding without an announcement in the forum thread...)) |
| Date | 11:25:30, January 06, 2006 CET | From | Liberal Imperialist Party | To | Debating the Childrens' Freedom Act, 2166 |
| Message | Yeah allowing people to do something is any civil-rights. Swearing about it helps you. :rolleyes: |
| Date | 23:26:27, January 07, 2006 CET | From | Liberal Imperialist Party | To | Debating the Childrens' Freedom Act, 2166 |
| Message | Ive changed it to the more moderate proposal; put to vote. |
| Date | 10:15:51, January 08, 2006 CET | From | RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the Childrens' Freedom Act, 2166 |
| Message | "OOC: Labour = work. I speak English, not UN-babble." Even in strict English dictionaries, there is a difference. ;-) "Yeah allowing people to do something is any civil-rights. Swearing about it helps you. :rolleyes:" Oh, please, do you really think that little children who are either directly or indirectly FORCED to work in miserable circumstances LIKE to do so? :rolleyes: And since this proposal does not include the distinction between child labour and child work, we vote against. |
| Date | 15:00:01, January 08, 2006 CET | From | RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the Childrens' Freedom Act, 2166 |
| Message | We regret that the Conservative Party supports the unconditional exploitation of little children. |
| Date | 20:29:14, January 08, 2006 CET | From | Freedom Party | To | Debating the Childrens' Freedom Act, 2166 |
| Message | ((Unless Wegason or another mod changed the coding without an announcement in the forum thread...)) Enough with the digs at me. I havent done anything to that proposal. |
| Date | 22:48:28, January 08, 2006 CET | From | Radical Freedom Party | To | Debating the Childrens' Freedom Act, 2166 |
| Message | OOC: it was an honest question! If the proposal is unchanged the people voting for this now are restricting civil rights. Thats all I'm saying ;) |
| Date | 09:29:07, January 09, 2006 CET | From | Liberal Imperialist Party | To | Debating the Childrens' Freedom Act, 2166 |
| Message | "h, please, do you really think that little children who are either directly or indirectly FORCED to work in miserable circumstances LIKE to do so? :rolleyes: And since this proposal does not include the distinction between child labour and child work, we vote against." Ganchelkas and his pathetic pedantics stike, as always when he runs out of actual arguments, yet again. If you honestly think that this bill is stating that we would force children to work (there is another option for that, so it clearly was not intended) then I true feel sorry for your miserable grasp of the English language, context and implied meaning. |
| Date | 09:30:13, January 09, 2006 CET | From | Liberal Imperialist Party | To | Debating the Childrens' Freedom Act, 2166 |
| Message | "do you really think that little children who are either directly or indirectly FORCED to work in miserable circumstances LIKE to do so? :rolleyes:" Yes, I think children very much like earning money. It allows them to "buy things". |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||||
| yes | Total Seats: 207 | ||||||
| no |
Total Seats: 392 | ||||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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