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Bill: AIP Political Independence Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: New Aloria Party (NAP)
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: May 3794
Description[?]:
3.) AIP requires and all government employees to promise political independence. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Appointments and requirements for government employees.
Old value:: Government employees are selected and appointed in a political way.
Current: Government employees are selected and appointed in a political way.
Proposed: All government employees have to promise political independence.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 00:51:00, January 30, 2015 CET | From | Ffrynt y Druid | To | Debating the AIP Political Independence Act |
| Message | Mr Speaker, We support article 2. In theory, we support article 1 as well, but we are not ready to make this concession to the current government. The Werin Da opposes articles 3 and 4. Regarding article, we are surprised to see a libertarian party supporting an increased number of unnecessary politicians. As champions of the average person we would - on the opposite - seek to drastically reduce the number off seats, ideally bellow 200 at least. Tristan Sailor MP (WD) Tanist of the Werin Da |
| Date | 00:51:51, January 30, 2015 CET | From | Hosian-Non Hosian Alliance Party(HNHP) | To | Debating the AIP Political Independence Act |
| Message | We support everything expect article 1, without that we accept, with ti we'll probable vote with the AFP and ANC. |
| Date | 01:40:09, January 30, 2015 CET | From | Alorian Front Party | To | Debating the AIP Political Independence Act |
| Message | AFP will support this Bill.Within the past 8 years we have seen extremists coup our government,deny our presidents the right to form a cabinet,silence the voice of our people and push agendas to create an authoritarian.AGO came back to correct these problems.After 9 years of becoming an active Laotian party again the AFP has finally became President and had 10 early elections denied by the CTR and Weir party.AFP is glad that a party such as the AIP is back.We share many values and were modeled after the AIP.You have the Presidents and the AFP support on this Bill. |
| Date | 01:41:27, January 30, 2015 CET | From | New Aloria Party (NAP) | To | Debating the AIP Political Independence Act |
| Message | Splitting all up |
| Date | 01:43:13, January 30, 2015 CET | From | Alorian Front Party | To | Debating the AIP Political Independence Act |
| Message | The Werin and Ctr party has also high jacked the cabinet.I told them come election time the Alorian people will roar.And they did.Thanks to the Alorians we were able to regain our country from terrorists.These both parties call the AFP win illegal.No.The Alorian people just said they don't want you. |
| Date | 01:54:46, January 30, 2015 CET | From | Ffrynt y Druid | To | Debating the AIP Political Independence Act |
| Message | Mr Speaker, We Werin Da actually won even more seats in the parliament in the last election. What happened was that the HRP decided to betray the cause of social conservatism in return for whatever promises you gave them. Electing a new government by a majority in parliament is not "hijacking", nor is it undemocratic, it is pure and plain parliamentary democracy. If your bloc gains a majority, you win. And the current terms are three years - actually a quite short period that we would like to see increase - it is between those that elections are held. There is no democratic obligation to hold early elections just because you didn't like the results. Rohanna Sailor MP (WD) |
| Date | 02:51:38, January 30, 2015 CET | From | Alorian Front Party | To | Debating the AIP Political Independence Act |
| Message | Mr.Speaker, It was to my surprise to see the Hosnian Revolt party back AFP during the election,but it no surprise that they did speak out against extreme religious policies,that the Werin and Ctr Parties,were passing.You both undemocratically,kicked out the last president and removed his parliament without debate.You both undemocratically refused an early election,to give the Alorian people a say in how they wanted to run their country.You both betrayed the Hosnian Revolt party.It is not a surprise that thwe Hosnian Revolt Party is Hosnian,and it is not a surprise that we preached unity.Not destruction or even a genocide.He wanted a more unified Aloria.And Aloria that every other party within the nation,other than you supports. You elected a government among your selves.Which is undemocratic.The only people who should decide that are the citizens of Aloria.As long as you stand for evil,I will stand against you.Every single time.and I will continue to beat you.Every single time.Let it be done.I have no tolerance for intolerance.I love all of my Alorian people.I love each and every one of Aloria's religions.The AFP is a party of the people,not for the government. Alorian President Jax Thorn |
| Date | 07:02:34, January 30, 2015 CET | From |  Comiwnyddion Hosnogol | To | Debating the AIP Political Independence Act |
| Message | Norbert Bismarck, Prime Minister You are lying. We did not undemocratically "remove his parliament" without debate. There was no Hosian coup. The Reform Movement and Mosod both dissolved of their own accord. When a party dissolves, it forfeits all seats no matter the consequences. We then did not call for early elections as it was entirely within my right to assume temporary control over the President's duties. I never intended to hold on to them for long. And when elections were held, Hosians gained an even larger share of the government, at least on paper. I see no problem. When we changed the laws to Hosian laws, we were acting entirely within the law. By insinuating that we performed an illegal action, I should bring a motion of censure against you, Mr President, for slandering me and my party in front of the Parliament. Shame on you, sir. |
| Date | 15:06:08, January 30, 2015 CET | From | Ffrynt y Druid | To | Debating the AIP Political Independence Act |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, Electing a government "among ourselves" is not undemocratic, that's exactly what's supposed to happen in a democracy when ones political bloc gains the majority in the legislature. It seems to me that the honourable ladies and gentlemen from the AFP became a little 'butthurt' so to say, when they were thrown out of the government. We have a pro-Hosian, socially conservative majority in parliament. The only thing that keeps your own government afloat is support from the HRP. You won't get any of your secularization policies passed in this chamber. Also, we never forced anyone to have any belief, we simply declared the majority religion to be the official state religion of Aloria. Rohanna Sailor MP (WD) |
| Date | 15:28:29, January 30, 2015 CET | From | Alorian Front Party | To | Debating the AIP Political Independence Act |
| Message | Mr.Speaker, if the Bosnians truly supported you.You would be the one sitting in the Presidents office not me.You coupled the government.Would you like proof? |
| Date | 20:06:50, January 30, 2015 CET | From | Comiwnyddion Hosnogol | To | Debating the AIP Political Independence Act |
| Message | Kathy Schulz, CF Whip 1. I do not know what a "Bosnian" is. 2. Of course we'd like this "proof" that we "couped" the government. Usually when someone makes treasonous, bullshit accusations (I will not hold my tongue for nonsense, decorum be damned) like this we would expect evidence backing up their claims. Instead you have chosen to slander the previous government for your own benefit, with no records or evidence of this plot. 3. I second Rohanna Sailor's opinion that all of this posturing is really just AFP bigwigs throwing a tissy fit because our coalition threw them out of the Cabinet last term We are bringing a motion of your censure in front of the Parliament soon for your actions, |
| Date | 20:17:11, January 30, 2015 CET | From | Comiwnyddion Hosnogol | To | Debating the AIP Political Independence Act |
| Message | Derek Powell, MP Kurmal We also never called the "AFP [election] win illegal. Unfortunately both my party and the WD both believe your election was perfectly legal. However, unfortunately the populace choose poorly, and now we have this bumbling, compulsively lying sociopath as President. You were legally elected, however that does not mean we can't oppose you. |
| Date | 06:58:38, January 31, 2015 CET | From | Alorian Front Party | To | Debating the AIP Political Independence Act |
| Message | Liar.This is why we have recorded transcripts.Fortunately under my president we are running a surplus. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 210 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 237 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 98 |
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| Random quote: "Impossible is a word to be found only in the dictionary of fools." - Napoleon Bonaparte |