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Bill: Lodamese Nationalism Bill - 3823
Details
Submitted by[?]: Great National Republican Guard
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: October 3823
Description[?]:
| People have lost pride in this country. The existence of the FJS is a perfect example of that. We need a state ideology that is so important to the people that it is treated how religions are treated in foreign countries. We need an ideological avenue for interactions between the people and the state. Lodamese Nationalism has been a democratic religion. It allows the democratically-elected representatives to control the religion, instead of the way it is done in foreign countries where the religion controls the government. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change State penalties for blasphemy
Old value:: No state penalties are issued for blasphemy.
Current: No state penalties are issued for blasphemy.
Proposed: Both private and public blasphemy are considered grave offenses, and are heavily prosecuted.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Government policy concerning granting citizenship.
Old value:: Citizenship is granted to all nationals.
Current: Citizenship is granted to all nationals.
Proposed: Citizenship is granted based on race/religion/gender.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change Government policy with respect to the death penalty.
Old value:: The death penalty is illegal and is never to be applied.
Current: The death penalty is illegal and is never to be applied.
Proposed: Religious doctrine determines the death penalty.
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change Government policy concerning the visitation of foreign missionaries.
Old value:: The government requires foreign missionaries to register with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
Current: The government has no policy concerning the visitation of foreign missionaries.
Proposed: The government selectively screens which religions are permitted to send missionaries to the nation. Certain religions are approved and travel is unregulated.
Article 5
Proposal[?] to change Discrimination in the military on grounds of race/religion.
Old value:: Any adult citizen can serve in the military, discrimination for racial or religious reasons is prohibited.
Current: Any adult citizen can serve in the military, discrimination for racial or religious reasons is prohibited.
Proposed: Candidates must be of a certain race/religion to have any place in the military.
Article 6
Proposal[?] to change The state's intervention in the appointment of ministers of religion.
Old value:: The state does not intervene in the appointment of ministers of any religion whatsoever.
Current: The state does not intervene in the appointment of ministers of any religion whatsoever.
Proposed: The state appoints all heads and other ministers of all religions.
Article 7
Proposal[?] to change Government policy towards evangelism and religious advertising.
Old value:: Religions are permitted to freely promote and advertise themselves.
Current: Religions are permitted to freely promote and advertise themselves.
Proposed: Religions are required to obtain government approval before promoting themselves or advertising in any manner.
Article 8
Proposal[?] to change The governments stance on religious schools.
Old value:: Religious schools are allowed, but are strictly regulated. Only recognised religions may set up religious schools.
Current: Only recognised religions may set up religious schools, with no regulations.
Proposed: All schools are required to be religious in nature.
Article 9
Proposal[?] to change Remuneration of ministers of religion.
Old value:: The state does not intervene in the remuneration of ministers of religion.
Current: The state does not intervene in the remuneration of ministers of religion.
Proposed: The salaries and pensions of ministers of religion shall be borne by the state and regulated by the law.
Article 10
Proposal[?] to change Government policy concerning religions.
Old value:: There is no government policy concerning a state religion.
Current: There is no government policy concerning a state religion.
Proposed: There is an official state religion, but membership is completely voluntary.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 15:06:57, March 29, 2015 CET | From |  Great National Republican Guard | To | Debating the Lodamese Nationalism Bill - 3823 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, This is a critical matter, for which we encourage our coalition members to contact us privately. -- Andre Fertig, Chairman of the GNRG, Minister of Trade/Industry, Vice President of Lodamun |
| Date | 02:54:11, March 30, 2015 CET | From | Federal Liberal Congress | To | Debating the Lodamese Nationalism Bill - 3823 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, We have a great deal of respect for our nationalist colleagues in the GNRG. However, we cannot support a state religion or ideology. For this reason we must vote against the proposed legislation. Francis M. Jones V FLC Chairman |
| Date | 03:03:00, March 30, 2015 CET | From | FJS Freedom, Justice, Sustainability | To | Debating the Lodamese Nationalism Bill - 3823 |
| Message | Mr Speaker, We strongly oppose this theocratic attempt to force religion into our daily lives. We must rally to preserve freedom of and from religion! Amanda Greentree FJS a Chair |
| Date | 03:05:58, March 30, 2015 CET | From | People of Freedom (P.F) | To | Debating the Lodamese Nationalism Bill - 3823 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker. Just as the FLC has stated, we have great respect for the GNRG as well as a deep respect for their beliefs. However we do not believe this is right path to take right now. Amp Lane M.P Leader of P.F in the Presidium |
| Date | 04:22:23, March 30, 2015 CET | From | Great National Republican Guard | To | Debating the Lodamese Nationalism Bill - 3823 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, We respect the stances of the coalition partners who have spoken so far. Still, we feel obligated to keep proposing this for citizens to remember our stance. This defines our party. We accept that our coalition partners disagree on this matter, and respect their honesty in expressing it in a civil manner. As for the comment made by Amanda Greentree, I think she is an idiot, Mr. Speaker. This is not an attempt to force religion onto our daily lives. On the contrary, as we established when comparing Lodamese Nationalism to Hosianism, this is an attempt to bring the state into matters of religion. We ensured to propose that the national religion remains voluntary, not mandatory. -- Andre Fertig, Chairman of the GNRG, Minister of Trade/Industry, Vice President of Lodamun |
| Date | 06:16:15, March 30, 2015 CET | From | FJS Freedom, Justice, Sustainability | To | Debating the Lodamese Nationalism Bill - 3823 |
| Message | Mr Speaker, Article 3: Violates free speech, forces people to obay the tenants of a religion. That is a form of theocracy. Article 5: Requiring schools to be religious means you are indoctrinating the students in religion against their will. Article 7: Establishes a state religion, this is a clear violation of church state separation, and alienates people who are not of said religion for no reason. Article 8: Not only brings back the barbaric practice of executing people, but puts them in the hands of religion? Articles 9 and 10: Makes matters of citizenship and nationality determinable by religion? Madness! Fortunately the attempt at turning our great nation into a backwards theocracy will fail but we must stay vigilant against attacks like this on our freedom. As to the matter of Andre Fertig calling me an idiot, well, his decision to stoop to petty name calling during parliamentary debate actually says more about his own intellect and professionalism then mine. Amanda Greentree FJS Chair |
| Date | 06:53:29, March 30, 2015 CET | From | Communist Revolutionist Party | To | Debating the Lodamese Nationalism Bill - 3823 |
| Message | Mr Speaker, I was once convinced of the Lodamese nationalism as a religion.But we find out,religion is just a virtual experience and nationalism should not be a religion.Religion is negative catalyst for national integration.According to our party's vision-'Religion is opium to people'.I suggest GNRG to change their stance and also to find a far better word. Bruce Nebula President General of CRP |
| Date | 10:04:47, March 30, 2015 CET | From | Great National Republican Guard | To | Debating the Lodamese Nationalism Bill - 3823 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, To first respond to comments made by Bruce Nebula, because he is more sensible... This isn't really about a religion. Our society just lacks a better word for it. We find that religion is important in people's lives. This is a way to have a state ideology that becomes as important to Lodamese citizens as religion is to foreign citizens. We have always referred to Lodamese Nationalism as a "state ideology" more often than we have referred to it as a religion. To respond to Amanda Greentree's comments, I still think she's an idiot. Lodamese Nationalism doesn't have churches, and she is talking about "separation of church and state" as if this is Luthori or Selucia. She also clearly doesn't know Lodamese history, or the fact that the Great Democratic Republic was founded on the same ideals mentioned in the bill. The difference between theocracy and what we have done in Lodamun is that in a theocracy, the religion controls the state. In Lodamun, it has been the state that controls the religion. -- Andre Fertig, Chairman of the GNRG, Minister of Trade/Industry, Vice President of Lodamun |
| Date | 10:33:44, March 30, 2015 CET | From | Grand Nationalist Fraction | To | Debating the Lodamese Nationalism Bill - 3823 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, we feel that a lot of MP's isn't ready to take the leap. Eventhough, Lodamese Nationalism has been very important in the evolution of our nation. It is that ideology that makes sure our citizens respect their nation and its citizens. This ideology prevents any form of discrimination and racism. The ideology states that all of our citizens are to be considered equal. There hardly isn't any system that is more fair. We would like to ask the Members of Presidium to reconsider their vote and help re-install this magnificent way of life. This bill has the potential of turning Lodamun into a better place. Indira Janszoon Minister of Education and Culture |
| Date | 14:59:49, March 30, 2015 CET | From | Communist Revolutionist Party | To | Debating the Lodamese Nationalism Bill - 3823 |
| Message | Mr Speaker, Quite obviously we are convinced again.But..my mind repels to vote right now.Sorry for that.. i hope to change my stance in other circumstances. Bruce Nebula President general of CRP |
| Date | 15:19:09, March 30, 2015 CET | From | Great National Republican Guard | To | Debating the Lodamese Nationalism Bill - 3823 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, Bruce Nebula owes no apology to my party, or the Presidium. He respects me enough to consider what I have said. It may take time before he accepts my stance as his own, or he may never accept my stance as his own, but he conducts himself in such a respectful manner that I am not offended. We hold no grudges against parties that have chosen to vote against this bill. The main purpose of this bill is to make our stance clear for the next election. -- Andre Fertig, Chairman of the GNRG, Minister of Trade/Industry, Vice President of Lodamun |
| Date | 16:48:33, March 30, 2015 CET | From | FJS Freedom, Justice, Sustainability | To | Debating the Lodamese Nationalism Bill - 3823 |
| Message | Mr Speaker, The state should not control religion, religion should not control the state. Citizens should be free to belong to whatever religion they choose or none at all. When you start mixing state and religion the result is a society where people who do not belong to the sanctioned religion, or religions are oppressed. There is no need to mix state and religion. We don't care if you call it Lodamese Nationalism or anything else, you are still trying to ram an ideology down our throats. Amanda Greentree FJS a Chair |
| Date | 17:41:19, March 30, 2015 CET | From | Great National Republican Guard | To | Debating the Lodamese Nationalism Bill - 3823 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, Let me make it clear that I have absolutely no problem with some religions being oppressed. Hosianism should be oppressed. -- Andre Fertig, Chairman of the GNRG, Minister of Trade/Industry, Vice President of Lodamun |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 120 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 331 | ||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 148 |
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