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Bill: Alternative Cabinet Proposal 3825
Details
Submitted by[?]: Coalition for National Unity [CNU]
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill presents the formation of a cabinet. It requires more than half of the legislature to vote yes. Traditionally, parties in the proposal vote yes, others (the opposition) vote no. This bill will pass as soon as the required yes votes are in and all parties in the proposal have voted yes, or will be defeated if unsufficient votes are reached on the deadline.
Voting deadline: December 3826
Description[?]:
| The Unionists wish to make the case for an alternative cabinet coalition. This coalition would be led by the largest party, the SDP who would have 6 seats. The FRGP would be given 3 seats, the Unionists and NLP would each be given 2 seats. The balance would still be in favour of the SDP-FRGP group, with the Unionists and NLP acting as junior partners. This coalition would be based on strong centrist policies. Neither extreme of left nor far-right would have a hold on Governance and it would avoid the situation whereby a party who has just lot seats at an election retains the Prime Ministership. It keeps finance in control of the FRGP, to alleviate potential concerns about our spending proposals, keeps the major ministries in the hands of the FRGP or SDP. But it allows the Unionists to work where they do best; Infrastructure and Science, and the NLP where they do; Education and Trade. The proposal is one of compromise (true compromise, with sacrifices on both sides) and the objective is to cut the extreme from the Government. It is a proposal for a sensible mid-way centrist coalition. |
Proposals
Article 1
As per the Constitution, the President chairs the cabinet.
Article 2
The responsibilites of Foreign Affairs will be conducted by the Communist Party of Solentia (CPS)
Article 3
The responsibilites of Internal Affairs will be conducted by the Communist Party of Solentia (CPS)
Article 4
The responsibilites of Finance will be conducted by the Federal Green Party (FGP)
Article 5
The responsibilites of Defence will be conducted by the Communist Party of Solentia (CPS)
Article 6
The responsibilites of Justice will be conducted by the Federal Green Party (FGP)
Article 7
The responsibilites of Infrastructure and Transport will be conducted by the Coalition for National Unity [CNU]
Article 8
The responsibilites of Health and Social Services will be conducted by the Communist Party of Solentia (CPS)
Article 9
The responsibilites of Education and Culture will be conducted by the Radical Republican Party (RRP)
Article 10
The responsibilites of Science and Technology will be conducted by the Coalition for National Unity [CNU]
Article 11
The responsibilites of Food and Agriculture will be conducted by the Communist Party of Solentia (CPS)
Article 12
The responsibilites of Environment and Tourism will be conducted by the Federal Green Party (FGP)
Article 13
The responsibilites of Trade and Industry will be conducted by the Radical Republican Party (RRP)
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 17:08:01, April 04, 2015 CET | From | Free Democratic Party | To | Debating the Alternative Cabinet Proposal 3825 |
| Message | "You call us extreme, but we vote the same as the FRGP 76% of the time. Are you telling me they're extreme as well? This isn't sacrificing on both sides. The NLP is regulatory, and the unionists are extreme regulatory. Our current coalition has a socialist party, a capitalist party, and a centrist party. What could be more fair, comprising, and even than that?" ~Amy Smith, Secondary Chairman of the LPS |
| Date | 18:20:15, April 04, 2015 CET | From | Federal Green Party (FGP) | To | Debating the Alternative Cabinet Proposal 3825 |
| Message | I do agree that the current situation gives a clearer majority for future coalitions. The coalition we have had has lasted for years specifically because it represents parties with clearly differing ideologies. As Amy Smith points out, it includes a Socialist, Centrist, and Capitalist political party. This way it represents the wishes of a broad swathe of the Solentian people. And it all but assures that this coalition wins time and time again at the elections, due specifically to the fact that it represents such broad interests. |
| Date | 18:48:53, April 04, 2015 CET | From | Radical Republican Party (RRP) | To | Debating the Alternative Cabinet Proposal 3825 |
| Message | But then it's all just about keeping power, such a broad coalition have nothing in common and will be uncapable of handling crisis together. Which is just what have happened with the current left-wing to right-wing coalition. NLP supports the alternative. Aaron Johnsson Vice-chair NLP |
| Date | 18:58:49, April 04, 2015 CET | From | Free Democratic Party | To | Debating the Alternative Cabinet Proposal 3825 |
| Message | "No it's about giving the people what they want." ~Ted Johnson, Head Chairman of the LPS |
| Date | 19:49:07, April 04, 2015 CET | From | Federal Green Party (FGP) | To | Debating the Alternative Cabinet Proposal 3825 |
| Message | We have a lot in common. For one we have lowered taxes tremendously for the vast majority of Solentians. The lowest tax bracket income has been raised to 35,000 SOL. This was done in wide agreement across all parties of the coalition. If we had nothing in common then this major tax reform (cutting taxes tremendously for working and middle class Solentians) would have never occurred. We also dealt with the crisis of violence in our nation. Granted it took a while to get a handle on the situation but the coalition was united in dealing with it. We also have foreign policy similarities as well as wide agreement on civil liberties issues. So to say we have nothing in common with each other is simply not true. There are plenty of areas of agreement and we have come together on those and compromised on areas of disagreement in a way that helped all of Solentia. With taxes the LPS wanted tax cuts across the board, especially for the wealthy. The SDP wanted tax cuts for the poorest Solentians. My own party advocates for tax cuts across the board but with an emphasis on tax cuts for the poorest Solentians. We came together on our common vision for tax cuts and made it happen. Again, we have much in common. The key to good governance is uniting on our commonalities and talking about our differences in opinion and then reaching a compromise that benefits all of Solentia. The FGRP would say that no ideology is totally correct or best. Instead to have a representative government of ideologies across the political spectrum (but with agreements on vital issues such as civil liberties) we can reach far-reaching reforms in a way that no other coalition could in the long term. If we had this agreement then we would lose potentially beneficial proposals from the LPS. This could lead to a backlash of voters towards the right of the political spectrum in the long term. Instead we represent the interests of the right, left, and center by continuing our broad coalition. This way we see progress for all Solentians, rather than political grandstanding and government inaction due to partisanship and petty bickering. |
| Date | 19:56:23, April 04, 2015 CET | From | SUN | To | Debating the Alternative Cabinet Proposal 3825 |
| Message | [Hisses and boos] |
| Date | 20:11:24, April 04, 2015 CET | From | Free Democratic Party | To | Debating the Alternative Cabinet Proposal 3825 |
| Message | "You realize that our coalition has made A LOT of progress. We've made lots of bipartisan agreements, and it's been a long and successful ride. The people have obviously loved our ideas, as they constantly vote for our coalition." ~Ted Johnson, Head Chairman of the LPS and Prime Minister |
| Date | 21:17:35, April 04, 2015 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Alternative Cabinet Proposal 3825 |
| Message | "What you call progress, we call legalising child molesting, child pornography and abuse. That is not centrist, that is not socialist, that is not capitalist. That is evil. By supporting this evil alliance with the child-abusing LPS, the SDP and Greens are ruining their own credibility. All we ask is that they realise that continuing to protect a part that wants child abusers to adopt and create child pornography has to end. Make an alliance with us, make it with the Ahmadi, with the SUN, Channs, whoever you want- just get these sick child abusers out of office." Astryd Goldsea, Unionist Leader |
| Date | 21:46:48, April 04, 2015 CET | From | Federal Green Party (FGP) | To | Debating the Alternative Cabinet Proposal 3825 |
| Message | The House of Chann does not have any seats at the moment so a coalition with them is not a feasible option at the moment. As far as their position on pornography, we do agree that it goes too far and that minors should not be in pornography. That said, this is a proposal they just recently made. It is not part of the progress that has occurred over the past years of our coalition. That proposal is not part of the many multi partisan agreements the coalition has made, again tax policy is the best example. What does tax reform have to do with child pornography? Absolutely nothing. |
| Date | 22:22:06, April 04, 2015 CET | From | Free Democratic Party | To | Debating the Alternative Cabinet Proposal 3825 |
| Message | "Where does the Unionists get their credibility?" ~Ted Johnson, Head Chairman of the LPS and Prime Minister |
| Date | 22:27:49, April 04, 2015 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Alternative Cabinet Proposal 3825 |
| Message | "We are disappointed that the Greens are so willing to sell children's rights for tax reform. We had anticipated them having a stronger moral backbone than this. Even when their partners are revealed to want paedophiles go scott-free, they aren't willing to take a stand. How tragic." Astryd Goldsea, Unionist Leader |
| Date | 22:32:52, April 04, 2015 CET | From | Federal Green Party (FGP) | To | Debating the Alternative Cabinet Proposal 3825 |
| Message | We do take a stand and voted against that proposal and will continue to do so. One policy (that has no chance of ever passing due to all other parties opposing it) is hardly reason to abandon a very successful coalition. |
| Date | 22:40:06, April 04, 2015 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Alternative Cabinet Proposal 3825 |
| Message | "It says a lot about your own moral standards and code of ethics that child abuse, of all things, isn't enough to convince you of a dark agenda within the LPS. Any real moral compass would have you abandon the coalition, irrespective of other policies, in order to make it clear that such policies are utterly unacceptable. Instead, you don't consider them enough; as though child protection is somehow not important enough, that your tax reforms are more important. It's a moral code I will never understand, both as a politician and as a mother." Astryd Goldsea, Unionist Leader |
| Date | 23:26:29, April 04, 2015 CET | From | Federal Green Party (FGP) | To | Debating the Alternative Cabinet Proposal 3825 |
| Message | They just recently proposed this as part of a number of other reforms. Over the years we have passed a number of important measures. Why let one proposal that has no chance of becoming the law of the land prevent the continued prosperity of our nation? We do make it clear that this is important and we highly doubt that they will propose it again. If our criticism has led to them not proposing such a bill or supporting it then where is the problem? |
| Date | 11:18:40, April 05, 2015 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Alternative Cabinet Proposal 3825 |
| Message | OOC: Sending to vote to archive the RP. |
| Date | 21:27:02, April 05, 2015 CET | From | SUN | To | Debating the Alternative Cabinet Proposal 3825 |
| Message | Sad to see the Unionists and NLP bowing and scraping at the feet of the Troika. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||||
| yes | Total Seats: 80 | ||||||
| no |
Total Seats: 378 | ||||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 67 |
| Random fact: Bill descriptions must be in English, or at least include a full English translation. Bill titles may appear in a language that is appropriate to the nation and are not required to be translated into English. |
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