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Bill: Structure of the Executive Branch Amendment Bill
Details
Submitted by[?]: Liberal Progressive Alliance
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: August 3847
Description[?]:
| Mr. Speaker, We would like to propose the following; |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Structure of the executive branch.
Old value:: The Head of State is hereditary and symbolic; the Head of Government chairs the cabinet.
Current: The Head of State is also Head of Government.
Proposed: The Head of State and Head of Government are two separate officials.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The title of the head of government, who chairs the cabinet.
Old value:: President
Current: Vice-President of the Commonwealth
Proposed: Prime Minister
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change The formal title of the Head of State.
Old value:: not recorded
Current: President of the Commonwealth
Proposed: President
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 05:26:34, May 16, 2015 CET | From | Liberal Progressive Alliance | To | Debating the Structure of the Executive Branch Amendment Bill |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, We believe it is essential to split the powers of Head of Government and Head of State to have a fully functioning democracy. It is not wise to give one figure too much power. Also it has come to our attention that we don't actually have an official title for the Head of State. Countries that have this executive branch structure have proven to lead very successful democracies. Alex Gleed, Leader Eastern-Central Alliance |
| Date | 09:53:23, May 17, 2015 CET | From | Liberal Progressive Alliance | To | Debating the Structure of the Executive Branch Amendment Bill |
| Message | Also it is important to point out that we actually do not even have a Head of State at all! Only a Head of Government. This simply will not do. Alex Gleed, Leader Eastern-Central Alliance |
| Date | 10:08:44, May 17, 2015 CET | From | OWL Movement | To | Debating the Structure of the Executive Branch Amendment Bill |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, The OWL Movement emphatically supports this bill. We feel that it is something that should have been introduced years ago. Fiona Goode Leader of the OWL Movement |
| Date | 15:24:29, May 17, 2015 CET | From | Grand Nationalist Fraction | To | Debating the Structure of the Executive Branch Amendment Bill |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, we feel such a structure will make politics much more complicated. We oppose. Ludwig Murphy LNC chairman vice-President of Lodamun |
| Date | 18:31:35, May 17, 2015 CET | From |  Great National Republican Guard | To | Debating the Structure of the Executive Branch Amendment Bill |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, The new parties have misinterpreted the political system. In some countries, the head of state and head of government are separate. In some countries, the head of state serves as the head of government. In Lodamun, the head of government serves as the de facto head of state. If you look at the nation page - http://classic.particracy.net/viewnation.php?nationid=19 - you will see that "The President" is listed as the head of state. President Raven Valentinn is the head of state and head of government. We have had a lot of debates on this topic, and we would encourage the new parties to read them and consider the points that my party has made a dozen times. The parliamentary system is the one that is best suited for Lodamun. The Presidium should remain the organ responsible for electing the President. Also, Ludwig Murphy should understand that the new parties do not want to complicate things. They are simply confused by our political system because it seems complicated and they want to simplify things. We should educate them about the political system so that they may become familiar with it. -- Trevor Fertig, Chairman of the GNRG, Vice President of Lodamun |
| Date | 23:56:09, May 17, 2015 CET | From | Liberal Progressive Alliance | To | Debating the Structure of the Executive Branch Amendment Bill |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, We do understand the political system. Yes, it may say that the Head of State is listed as 'The President' on the nation page, but in the Laws of the Land, there is no title listed. Therefore, we simply do not officially have a Head of State! The current system is unofficial and absurd. My party certainly does not want to complicate things, and what we propose is most definitely not complicated. You will note in Article 3 that there is no title recorded for the Head of State. This at the very least must change. The current system is broken, flawed and in desperate need of modernisation. I would ask that parties vote in support of this bill. If it is defeated, this will certainly not be the last time it is proposed, as the fact that you have had many debates on this topic shows there is a movement for change. A change that is desperately needed. Alex Gleed Leader Eastern-Central Alliance |
| Date | 01:26:21, May 18, 2015 CET | From | Great National Republican Guard | To | Debating the Structure of the Executive Branch Amendment Bill |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, Having many debates on this topic shows that there is a movement for change, but we doubt that movement is from within Lodamun. A few parties always pop up, try to change the system, then disappear after failing. It makes it easy for us to believe that this change is a part of a foreign agenda, and not a local one. The parties that have repeatedly tried to change the system have never won the necessary support in the elections to make the change. If the people wanted the change, wouldn't the pro-change parties have gotten enough votes to have enough seats to change the system? We have had this system for centuries, and it has worked well to prevent powerful minorities from seizing power in Lodamun. Lodamun's system must remain parliamentary, so that each party's power is proportional to its seats in the Presidium. A directly-elected Presidency is something that a single party can monopolise without having a majority of support from the people; it is undemocratic. We do not care too much for what would be considered to be "modernisation" if such modernisation does not mean anything good for the people. So far, I do not see the proposed changes being of any benefit to the people. -- Trevor Fertig, Chairman of the GNRG, Vice President of Lodamun |
| Date | 02:16:41, May 18, 2015 CET | From | Liberal Progressive Alliance | To | Debating the Structure of the Executive Branch Amendment Bill |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, May I assure the GNRG that we are here and here to stay. We are not at all part of a 'foreign agenda' as Mr Fertig suggests. To assume so shows paranoia and insults our party. I encourage the GNRG to look at our description on the Eastern-Central Alliance's page. We have Lodamun's best interests at heart, and sometimes it pays to look at established laws with fresh eyes. This system is old fashioned and anti-progressive. This will of course allow Lodamun's system to remain parliamentary, there is no question of that. But according to the Laws of the Land, we do not have a Head of State. This is why our system is broken and open to corruption - one figure has far too much power. And would Mr. Fertig care to explain what on earth he means by 'powerful minorities'? Would he care to give an example of a single 'powerful' minority group? We are determined for this bill to pass. If not now, then perhaps after the election depending on the results. We are certain this is for Lodamun's best interests. Alex Gleed Leader Eastern-Central Alliance |
| Date | 09:08:59, May 18, 2015 CET | From | Great National Republican Guard | To | Debating the Structure of the Executive Branch Amendment Bill |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, I am not saying that the Eastern-Central Alliance is a part of a foreign agenda, but its actions are exactly like parties in the past which were all parts of a foreign agenda. They also said the same things; they accused us of being paranoid, and they claimed they were only loyal to Lodamun. They all lied. We are not saying that the current new parties are lying as well, but it is difficult to trust them given our past experiences with similar parties. How is the system anti-progressive? Alex Gleed makes baseless claims without any explanation or critical analysis. Who has too much power? The President? The Presidium can easily sack a President and have him/her replaced instantly, without dissolving itself. Lodamun is the only country where that is possible. The President of Lodamun answers to the Presidium. In other countries, the President may keep his/her office and the legislature can't do anything about it except calling early elections, and the same unpopular leader can win the elections again. It is possible for someone to win a Presidential election with a minority of votes in the first round. In the last election in Rutania, the top 2 presidential candidates had less than 50% of the votes in the first round, even when their votes were combined. Voters were then forced to choose between them. The Presidency is a one-person post. In Lodamun, it's not any single figure that has too much power. The Presidium has all the power. The President is merely the head of the cabinet that is elected by the Presidium. The President can be replaced along with the cabinet. In other countries, the President cannot be replaced without a general election, which means the legislature will be dissolved as well. Powerful minority groups included the Hosians, the Capitalists, and other political forces that had a minority of support. They were never able to get a majority in the Presidium. Despite only having a minority of support, they wanted to tweak the political system in a way that they could win power by luck. -- Trevor Fertig, Chairman of the GNRG, Vice President of Lodamun |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 0 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 379 | ||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 220 |
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