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Bill: Cabinet Proposal of October 2168
Details
Submitted by[?]: Fascist Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill presents the formation of a cabinet. It requires more than half of the legislature to vote yes. Traditionally, parties in the proposal vote yes, others (the opposition) vote no. This bill will pass as soon as the required yes votes are in and all parties in the proposal have voted yes, or will be defeated if unsufficient votes are reached on the deadline.
Voting deadline: June 2169
Description[?]:
| Proposing a Cabinet |
Proposals
Article 1
The responsibilites of Head of Government will be conducted by the 
Fascist Party
Article 2
The responsibilites of Science and Technology will be conducted by the Popular Party of Trigunia
Article 3
The responsibilites of Food and Agriculture will be conducted by the People's Equality Party Of Trigunia
Article 4
The responsibilites of Environment and Tourism will be conducted by the Popular Party of Trigunia
Article 5
The responsibilites of Trade and Industry will be conducted by the Popular Party of Trigunia
Article 6
The responsibilites of Foreign Affairs will be conducted by the Radical Conservative Party
Article 7
The responsibilites of Internal Affairs will be conducted by the Radical Conservative Party
Article 8
The responsibilites of Finance will be conducted by the Radical Conservative Party
Article 9
The responsibilites of Defence will be conducted by the Fasces Kromina Conservatives
Article 10
The responsibilites of Justice will be conducted by the Fasces Kromina Conservatives
Article 11
The responsibilites of Infrastructure and Transport will be conducted by the Radical Conservative Party
Article 12
The responsibilites of Health and Social Services will be conducted by the People's Equality Party Of Trigunia
Article 13
The responsibilites of Education and Culture will be conducted by the People's Equality Party Of Trigunia
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 21:05:34, January 09, 2006 CET | From | Radical New Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of October 2168 |
| Message | No dice. |
| Date | 10:02:31, January 10, 2006 CET | From | Fasces Kromina Conservatives | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of October 2168 |
| Message | People's Equality Party Of Trigunia votes no in spite of getting alot of positions... |
| Date | 21:31:44, January 10, 2006 CET | From | People's Equality Party Of Trigunia | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of October 2168 |
| Message | I do not compromise with fascists |
| Date | 22:34:47, January 10, 2006 CET | From | Radical New Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of October 2168 |
| Message | Hey that means your on our side.. woo! |
| Date | 22:44:27, January 10, 2006 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of October 2168 |
| Message | Kudos to the PEPOT! |
| Date | 11:20:33, January 11, 2006 CET | From | Fasces Kromina Conservatives | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of October 2168 |
| Message | Fascist? We have not made proposals that would not be acceptable by other non-fascist parties, even though there are always people with different oppinions about it. In Fasces Kromina, we strive for righteousness. According to us, one of the governments most important obligation is to protect the people from criminals, and our numeral proposals about such things are indeed harsh - we want the criminals to bear responsibility for their own actions. It is alright not to agree with all our oppinions, but to label us as 'fascist' and refuse to co-operate in anything is not fair. About being us being fascist... We do not entirely agree with the fascistic ideology, although there are some things that we do like about it, and think about it: If there was nothing at all that is good about it, why would it be used anyway? We do look at the nation as one historical and cultural unit, and moral for us is central. We do not want to hurt innocent people and we do not want to wage war for fun, contrary to what most of you seem to think. We chose the name fasces because it is a symbol of jurisdiction and legal power, not for the sake of fascism itself. Hopefully you don't think of us as 'evil' anymore, because we are not. We do what we think is right, and we do it with democracy. Not with dictatorship. |
| Date | 15:49:39, January 11, 2006 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of October 2168 |
| Message | "Fascist?" Yes. You claim that you do not 'entirely' agree with the fascistic ideology, although you presumably agree with enough to give you party a name which references the root of the word fascist. If you look at your voting record you will find that you almost always vote the same way as the Fascist Party, which it seems does not object to being described as fascist. "We have not made proposals that would not be acceptable by other non-fascist parties" Yes you have. If you look at the voting records comparison page (http://80.237.164.51/particracy/main/compareparties.php?nationid=31) you'll see just how many of your proposals are unacceptable to non-fascist parties. "We do not want to hurt innocent people" We don't think you *want* to hurt innocent people, we just think you will hurt innocent people. "Hopefully you don't think of us as 'evil' anymore" I'm not sure that any party has yet specifically described you as 'evil'. Our party described you as terrifying, which you are. "We do what we think is right" Many of the greatest human disasters were precipitated by people who thought they were doing what was right. No doubt Hitler thought he was right, Lenin thought he was right, Stalin thought he was right, Mao thought he was right. The reason why the people need protection from government is that authoritarians like you will always think you are in the right. |
| Date | 11:46:40, January 12, 2006 CET | From | Fasces Kromina Conservatives | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of October 2168 |
| Message | Don't compare us to Hitler or Stalin or any other such people. |
| Date | 15:20:56, January 12, 2006 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of October 2168 |
| Message | Or you'll do what to us? |
| Date | 18:55:06, January 12, 2006 CET | From | Fasces Kromina Conservatives | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of October 2168 |
| Message | Nothing, it was not a threat. Just don't do it. |
| Date | 03:29:02, January 13, 2006 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of October 2168 |
| Message | In any event, we were not necessarily suggesting you are the same as Hitler or Stalin, but merely that as they thought they were right in their actions, and that thought did not stop them from doing terrible things; the fact that you genuinely believe you are right is no guarantee that you will not do terrible things. Indeed, it makes it more likely, since as C S Lewis observed "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 276 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 253 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 26 |
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