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Bill: Moctos Terrorism Trial- 3862- 3862
Details
Submitted by[?]: People of Freedom (P.F)
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: February 3864
Description[?]:
| Due to the following resolution being passed by whopping 2/3rds Majority: http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=439549 Mr. Moctos parliamentary immunity has been removed. And Mr. Moctos has been ordered to appear before a court of law to face prosecution based on Lodamese law. Please note if the Stability act is passed. The head of state being the president will be legally obligated to bring justice in this regard. Ministry of Justice will keep the presidium upto date on proceedings. Dr Gina Berg Minister of Justice |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 02:58:29, June 18, 2015 CET | From | Liberal Progressive Alliance | To | Debating the Moctos Terrorism Trial- 3862- 3862 |
| Message | M. Speaker, Mr. Moctos is entitled to a fair trial. If the stability act is passed, that will be impossible. David Butterman Leader Eastern-Central Alliance |
| Date | 03:19:59, June 18, 2015 CET | From | United Republics Party | To | Debating the Moctos Terrorism Trial- 3862- 3862 |
| Message | M. Speaker, I will surrender to the authorities as requested, but make no mistake, I am now a political prisoner. This government will bomb, arrest, murder, kidnap, and/or rob anyone who disagrees with them. In this regard it should surprise no one that I am to be arrested and charged with a crime I did not commit. I will not kowtow to the corrupt regime and will not silence my criticisms. My trial likely won't be fair, the kangaroo courts have been packed with nationalist yes-men; however, the state will be required to present evidence albeit manufactured and paper thin. I will not resign and this Presidium should expect regular communications on my behalf. Nethuss Moctos URP Leader |
| Date | 06:32:36, June 18, 2015 CET | From |  Great National Republican Guard | To | Debating the Moctos Terrorism Trial- 3862- 3862 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, Can we just have him shot instead of going through all this drama? --- Trevor Fertig, Chairman of the GNRG, Vice President of Lodamun |
| Date | 06:56:02, June 18, 2015 CET | From | United Republics Party | To | Debating the Moctos Terrorism Trial- 3862- 3862 |
| Message | Your honor, My client, Nethuss Moctos, awaits specific charges and requests bail. Kadar Mong |
| Date | 07:21:22, June 18, 2015 CET | From | Grand Nationalist Fraction | To | Debating the Moctos Terrorism Trial- 3862- 3862 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, death penalty has been illegal for many years now, so the allegations of the URP fraction are not in place. About the charges: Mr. Moctos is being held responsible for the bombing by AKC on the LNC HQ. There can be no place in this Presidium for such criminal. Marco Morar President of Lodamun |
| Date | 02:56:24, June 19, 2015 CET | From | People of Freedom (P.F) | To | Debating the Moctos Terrorism Trial- 3862- 3862 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker. The high court Judges have ruled that MR. Moctos be sentenced to 2 years in prison. As well as pay the LNC party 300 000 LOD. The court has ruled he be banished from politics for life. This will be put to vote as to say that the presidium agrees with court ruling. Dr. Gina Berg Minister of Justice |
| Date | 02:58:21, June 19, 2015 CET | From | People of Freedom (P.F) | To | Debating the Moctos Terrorism Trial- 3862- 3862 |
| Message | Mr Speaker Why the sentence is of low number is that the court found no substantial evidence to prove directly that he was responsible. However that AKC member was. And him as leader must take the blame. Dr. Gina Berg Minister of Justice |
| Date | 03:11:24, June 19, 2015 CET | From | United Republics Party | To | Debating the Moctos Terrorism Trial- 3862- 3862 |
| Message | The Justice Minister conceded there is no evidence. My client is entitled to a trial and will not accept justice via a Presidium tribunal. Kadar Mong |
| Date | 03:14:24, June 19, 2015 CET | From | Great National Republican Guard | To | Debating the Moctos Terrorism Trial- 3862- 3862 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, I think we need to call another session of the Supreme Court. -- Trevor Fertig, Chairman of the GNRG, Vice President of GDR Lodamun -- OOC: The Supreme Court has 75 judges, and players control the outcome of the decision. |
| Date | 03:17:19, June 19, 2015 CET | From | People of Freedom (P.F) | To | Debating the Moctos Terrorism Trial- 3862- 3862 |
| Message | We Agree, LET US CONDUCT THE SUPRRME COURT |
| Date | 03:17:40, June 19, 2015 CET | From | People of Freedom (P.F) | To | Debating the Moctos Terrorism Trial- 3862- 3862 |
| Message | Im sure mr moctos will appeal. |
| Date | 03:18:09, June 19, 2015 CET | From | People of Freedom (P.F) | To | Debating the Moctos Terrorism Trial- 3862- 3862 |
| Message | This hearing |
| Date | 03:19:10, June 19, 2015 CET | From | Great National Republican Guard | To | Debating the Moctos Terrorism Trial- 3862- 3862 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, Yes, Mr. Moctos needs to appeal to the Justice Minister to have the court's decision reviewed by the Supreme Court. -- Trevor Fertig, Chairman of the GNRG, Vice President of GDR Lodamun |
| Date | 03:31:47, June 19, 2015 CET | From | United Republics Party | To | Debating the Moctos Terrorism Trial- 3862- 3862 |
| Message | Mr. Fertig is correct, the Justice Minister would have to approve an appeal. We are still waiting for a fair original trial. Kadar Mong |
| Date | 03:50:27, June 19, 2015 CET | From | Great National Republican Guard | To | Debating the Moctos Terrorism Trial- 3862- 3862 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, Mr. Moctos needs to make an appeal before the Justice Minister can approve it. Has he made an appeal? -- Trevor Fertig, Chairman of the GNRG, Vice President of GDR Lodamun |
| Date | 03:52:20, June 19, 2015 CET | From | People of Freedom (P.F) | To | Debating the Moctos Terrorism Trial- 3862- 3862 |
| Message | Lodamun is a democratic state therefore I accept the appeal. Of Mr.Moctos. Let the supreme court decided. Dr. Gina Berg Minister of Justice |
| Date | 10:39:11, June 19, 2015 CET | From | Court of Shades | To | Debating the Moctos Terrorism Trial- 3862- 3862 |
| Message | OOC: Have court cases ever been done in Lodamun before? Do we have any legislation/informal rules dictating how this should be done? Its just doing this via parliamentary vote, and having the Justice Minister act as the judge seems like a bad way of doing it. Considering most irl countries separate Parliament, the Executive and the Judicary. If there haven't been any precedents/rules set down, maybe we should discuss this both in and out of character before we proceed with this? |
| Date | 11:42:19, June 19, 2015 CET | From | Grand Nationalist Fraction | To | Debating the Moctos Terrorism Trial- 3862- 3862 |
| Message | OOC: There's a key to calculate the number of seats each party gets in the Supreme Court. Each can vote as they wish. Siggon knows how it works. |
| Date | 17:34:42, June 19, 2015 CET | From | Great National Republican Guard | To | Debating the Moctos Terrorism Trial- 3862- 3862 |
| Message | OOC: Yes, this has been done before, and there is a law established on it. |
| Date | 21:17:56, June 19, 2015 CET | From | United Republics Party | To | Debating the Moctos Terrorism Trial- 3862- 3862 |
| Message | Mr. Moctos has been released from jail. |
| Date | 02:45:09, June 20, 2015 CET | From |  Moderation | To | Debating the Moctos Terrorism Trial- 3862- 3862 |
| Message | Greetings Lodamun! Let me try to provide some clarity to the situation here. It would seem Lodamun has a Supreme Court of 75 judges, whose membership is determined by the performance of the parties in each region (see http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=388913 ). That Supreme Court was introduced by the two-thirds majority required under game rules for constitutional laws. So far as I can see, that law is still in place today and is therefore legally binding under section 10 of the Rules of the Game (see http://forum.particracy.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=5519 ). Some of you who are newer to Lodamun may be unfamiliar with its Supreme Court system, but it is a reality. It is referenced in your General Information section (see http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=388917 ), although perhaps it might be explained in a little more detail there, to make it clearer to players. So far as I can see, Mr. Moctos has had his parliamentary immunity removed, and is therefore liable to prosecution. I understand that the majority coalition of judges on the Supreme Court now looks set to find him guilty and sentence him to 2 years in jail and a 300,000 LOD fine. At least for the time being, I would therefore recommend you presume that if the Supreme Court finds Mr. Moctos guilty, then he will be released from jail, but maybe not for another 2 years. I hope you won't feel too bad about this, yugyug, but that's the way this will work. If it makes you feel any better, I can tell you you're not the first player in Lodamun to have a character sentenced to judicial punishment. If you talk to Siggon, Simba, M13 and Lukozade, they could tell you about how my own party leader was sentenced to death after I'd been here only 2 or 3 days. This is a bit of a "thing" in Lodamun :). |
| Date | 02:46:37, June 20, 2015 CET | From | Moderation | To | Debating the Moctos Terrorism Trial- 3862- 3862 |
| Message | This is Aquinas, btw. |
| Date | 03:24:04, June 20, 2015 CET | From | Great National Republican Guard | To | Debating the Moctos Terrorism Trial- 3862- 3862 |
| Message | OOC: Your case was worse, Aquinas :P It was the head of state who sentenced you to death (because he had the authority to do so, at the time). The Supreme Court couldn't save you then, even if it voted that your character should be free. In yugyug's case, the Supreme Court can save him from Lukozade's characters' verdict (Lukozade controls the Justice Ministry, and took the responsibility of declaring what the courts would have said). |
| Date | 03:29:08, June 20, 2015 CET | From | Moderation | To | Debating the Moctos Terrorism Trial- 3862- 3862 |
| Message | OOC: I vaguely recall that before my party leader was executed, another party actually had all of its Presidiuum members put to death. Moctos is only getting a prison sentence...so could it be you guys are getting softer/more lenient over time? :) |
| Date | 05:57:21, June 20, 2015 CET | From | Great National Republican Guard | To | Debating the Moctos Terrorism Trial- 3862- 3862 |
| Message | OOC: It's those Percyists and their teddy bears. Even the GNRG has gone soft from their influence. |
| Date | 11:36:27, June 20, 2015 CET | From | United Republics Party | To | Debating the Moctos Terrorism Trial- 3862- 3862 |
| Message | Yeha. I don't care. If moderation has an issue, just ban me. |
| Date | 13:29:14, June 20, 2015 CET | From | Grand Nationalist Fraction | To | Debating the Moctos Terrorism Trial- 3862- 3862 |
| Message | OOC: Indeed all members of a party were executed by President Spaak. |
| Date | 15:41:04, June 20, 2015 CET | From | Great National Republican Guard | To | Debating the Moctos Terrorism Trial- 3862- 3862 |
| Message | OOC: "Yeha. I don't care. If moderation has an issue, just ban me." Stop being so dramatic, yugyug. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 296 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 161 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 142 |
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