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Bill: Budget proposal of October 3865
Details
Submitted by[?]: Liberal Progressive Alliance
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill proposes to change the allocation of funds in the budget. It requires more than half of the legislature to vote yes. This bill will pass as soon as the required yes votes are in, or will be defeated if unsufficient votes are reached on the deadline.
Voting deadline: August 3866
Description[?]:
| The Eastern-Central Alliance propose to adjust the government's spending budget to better address the economic and social situation of the Great Democratic Republic of Lodamun. Carl Lexington Deputy Leader Eastern-Central Alliance |
Proposals
Article 1
| Ministry | Current Budget | Old Budget | Propesed Budget |
| Head of Government | 500,000,000 LOD | 1,000,000,000 LOD | 750,000,000 LOD |
| Foreign Affairs | 4,000,000,000 LOD | 2,500,000,000 LOD | 2,750,000,000 LOD |
| Internal Affairs | 6,000,000,000 LOD | 2,750,000,000 LOD | 2,750,000,000 LOD |
| Finance | 1,500,000,000 LOD | 2,500,000,000 LOD | 2,500,000,000 LOD |
| Defence | 11,500,000,000 LOD | 21,250,000,000 LOD | 21,000,000,000 LOD |
| Justice | 5,500,000,000 LOD | 750,000,000 LOD | 1,000,000,000 LOD |
| Infrastructure and Transport | 7,500,000,000 LOD | 10,000,000,000 LOD | 10,000,000,000 LOD |
| Health and Social Services | 20,000,000,000 LOD | 21,250,000,000 LOD | 21,250,000,000 LOD |
| Education and Culture | 17,500,000,000 LOD | 21,250,000,000 LOD | 21,250,000,000 LOD |
| Science and Technology | 2,000,000,000 LOD | 7,750,000,000 LOD | 7,000,000,000 LOD |
| Food and Agriculture | 5,000,000,000 LOD | 2,500,000,000 LOD | 1,500,000,000 LOD |
| Environment and Tourism | 500,000,000 LOD | 2,500,000,000 LOD | 1,500,000,000 LOD |
| Trade and Industry | 5,500,000,000 LOD | 10,000,000,000 LOD | 5,000,000,000 LOD |
| Total | 87,000,000,000 LOD | 106,000,000,000 LOD | 98,250,000,000 LOD |
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 00:27:15, June 24, 2015 CET | From |  Great National Republican Guard | To | Debating the Budget proposal of October 3865 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, This is ridiculous. They want to cut Trade & Industry by 50%. -- Trevor Fertig, Chairman of the GNRG, Vice President of GDR Lodamun |
| Date | 00:31:02, June 24, 2015 CET | From | Liberal Progressive Alliance | To | Debating the Budget proposal of October 3865 |
| Message | M. Speaker, We currently have 0 exports. That money is better spent on Justice and Foreign Affairs. Carl Lexington Deputy Leader Eastern-Central Alliance |
| Date | 00:32:59, June 24, 2015 CET | From | Liberal Progressive Alliance | To | Debating the Budget proposal of October 3865 |
| Message | M. Speaker, And 5 billion is still a considerable amount! Carl Lexington Deputy Leader Eastern-Central Alliance |
| Date | 00:46:03, June 24, 2015 CET | From | Great National Republican Guard | To | Debating the Budget proposal of October 3865 |
| Message | OOC: It's pointless to point out exports. The game's economy features aren't working. No country has exports mentioned on their budget page (so it's pointless for any character to mention, since no character sees any other country exporting). Trading is usually RP'd; surely countries import and export. We can treat the "zero" figure as exports and imports being equal. And even if we ignore trading, we can still focus on the "industry" part. |
| Date | 00:49:41, June 24, 2015 CET | From | Liberal Progressive Alliance | To | Debating the Budget proposal of October 3865 |
| Message | M. Speaker, I would be willing to go from 5 billion in Trade & Industry to 6. So long as spending is under 100 billion. Carl Lexington Deputy Leader Eastern-Central Alliance |
| Date | 00:53:41, June 24, 2015 CET | From | Great National Republican Guard | To | Debating the Budget proposal of October 3865 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, I don't care about what Carl Lexington is willing to do. He is not the Finance Minister. He is pretending as if he has control of the budget and the tax scheme. This is only a proposal, and it is unlikely that this can be passed without a change in the composition of the Presidium. -- Trevor Fertig, Chairman of the GNRG, Vice President of GDR Lodamun |
| Date | 01:18:38, June 24, 2015 CET | From | Liberal Progressive Alliance | To | Debating the Budget proposal of October 3865 |
| Message | M. Speaker, As a democratically elected member of this Presidium, I have a perfect right to present these proposals. We desperately need to cut government spending to aid our wafer-thin surplus, and if the minister refuses to accept that then I am proud to be presenting this bill. This is a debate. The minister said he was concerned about a part of the proposal, so I was willing to compromise. There was no need for Trevor Fertig to be rude. Carl Lexington Deputy Leader Eastern-Central Alliance |
| Date | 01:36:16, June 24, 2015 CET | From | Great National Republican Guard | To | Debating the Budget proposal of October 3865 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, We do not "desperately need" to cut our government spending. We have had a surplus that has built up over the years, and we still have the strongest national currency in the world. Many countries have not run surplus budgets. Also, a high surplus is not a good thing. A high surplus will cause recession and reduce our GDP. When the government takes money from the people through taxes, it must spend as much as it can to contribute back to the economy. All government spending directly contributes to GDP. We could easily raise our GDP by running a deficit budget, as we would be introducing extra money to our economy. The GNRG has ensured a stable and healthy surplus that is small enough to keep us out of this problem, and we still have high government spending. -- Kevin Landau, Finance Minister |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes | Total Seats: 248 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 351 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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