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Bill: National Salvation Bill (v)
Details
Submitted by[?]: Likaton Fascist Front
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: June 2171
Description[?]:
| PSS and Absalom ben Adamah present the following to the convocation for their consideration. We feel that there are times when it is entirely appropriate for schools to sing the national anthem. Remember, this is not a question of religion, it is a recital of our accepted anthem. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Singing the national anthem in schools.
Old value:: Children are never made to sing the national anthem.
Current: Children are not made to sing the national anthem, but are required to show respect when it is played at the commencement of school each day.
Proposed: Children are only made to sing the national anthem on special occasions.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 15:25:19, January 11, 2006 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the National Salvation Bill (v) |
| Message | The AAS believes that attemptin to 'force' Patriotism is tantamount to brainwashing.... and, we also believe it to be ultimately counterproductive. |
| Date | 15:50:31, January 11, 2006 CET | From | AM Radical Libertarian Party | To | Debating the National Salvation Bill (v) |
| Message | RLP concurs with the AAS on this issue. |
| Date | 20:47:47, January 11, 2006 CET | From | Likaton Fascist Front | To | Debating the National Salvation Bill (v) |
| Message | PSS are at a loss to understand the reasoning. All Likatonians should know the national anthem, and surely school is the logical place for this to be taught? When a visiting foriegn dignitary goes to a school it would be very embarrasing if our children could not sing our national anthem - and even worse if they knew the words the anthem of the visitors country ! What message would we be sending here? In this proposal we are not talking about a regimented, clockwork daily recital, we teaching the children the national anthem, and teaching children about their country is something PSS - and I would suggest - most of the population would expect. |
| Date | 21:07:22, January 11, 2006 CET | From | AM Radical Libertarian Party | To | Debating the National Salvation Bill (v) |
| Message | Two responses to the PSS. First, if a visiting dignitary attends one of our schools and the children sing his national anthem, that is exactally the message of respect and cooperation we would want to send. However, we do see the validity of the PSS stand that our children should learn the national anthem. If a clearer defination of special occasions could be forthcoming, we might be in a position to change our stance. |
| Date | 22:59:34, January 11, 2006 CET | From | Conservative Liberal Party | To | Debating the National Salvation Bill (v) |
| Message | We see no harm in children learning the words of our nations anthemn. |
| Date | 00:33:41, January 12, 2006 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the National Salvation Bill (v) |
| Message | "Learning the words" and "are only made to sing" are two very different concepts. |
| Date | 04:28:35, January 12, 2006 CET | From | Likaton Fascist Front | To | Debating the National Salvation Bill (v) |
| Message | To the RLP - Special occasions we would define as - Public servants visiting schools (including Likatonian public servants) (read as 'senior' politicians), National day, opening of a new school, and any other day that important observed date for our country. To the AAS - Part of every school curriculum contains things that children may NOT want to do, however as adults we are the ones who make the call about whether these activities will benefit a childs development. We feel learning the national anthem, even if not sung every day is entirely within the scope of school curriculum. |
| Date | 17:32:28, January 12, 2006 CET | From | AM Radical Libertarian Party | To | Debating the National Salvation Bill (v) |
| Message | Thanks to the PSS for the clarification - with that in mind we will support this bill. |
| Date | 18:59:19, January 12, 2006 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the National Salvation Bill (v) |
| Message | Response to the PSS: While we appreciate that what a child 'wants' should not automatically be taken as the 'right' thing to teach at schools... surely, there should be safeguards against propoganda and conditioning in our school rooms? What purpose does our government SERVE, if not to protect our citizens? We are under the impression that the government is supposed to 'serve' the people... not the other way around. |
| Date | 23:06:13, January 12, 2006 CET | From | Likaton Fascist Front | To | Debating the National Salvation Bill (v) |
| Message | We are largely in agreement with the above statement. To adress the main question: "What purpose does our government SERVE, if not to protect our citizens?" - One of the biggest things the government has a duty to protect it's citizens from is ignorance. A government must provide the means of making sure that it's citizens have a sound basic education. During the formative years it is unavoidable that young citizens will absorb certain cultural influences (eg, Likatonian spoken with a slightly different accent in different regions). Propaganda and conditioning to some extent, are unavoidable. We do take the point there should be some safeguards against overt propaganda, and we would suggest these would already be in place in schools. The national anthem is a rather unique item that does not change from region to region within the country and promotes a sense of 'national fellowship', of having something in common with all Likatonians regardless of race/colour/financial status etc etc. We are only asking for this to be sung on exceptional occasions, we do not see this as being a tool to turn children into mindless automata. |
| Date | 23:24:46, January 12, 2006 CET | From | Likaton Fascist Front | To | Debating the National Salvation Bill (v) |
| Message | To the RLP - We thank you for your support. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 342 | |||||||
| no | Total Seats: 158 | |||||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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