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Bill: Experiment, 3896
Details
Submitted by[?]: Kirlawan People's Justice Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: July 3896
Description[?]:
| Hindsight is 20/20; and in hindsight, apparently what happened was, I got way too greedy. :( Sigh. I'll backtrack, and reintroduce the same bill exactly as it had stood when it had attracted (a flurry of) comments. ... now, I'm _really_ regretting deleting that original bill. :( Had I but known yesterday what I know today, I would have just sent it to vote instead; averting both some damage, and quite a bit of hassle besides. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government policy on industry and subsidies to industrial operations.
Old value:: The government does not intervene in the market nor provide any form of subsidies/relief to industries.
Current: The government acts as an investor of last resort, by nationalizing failing industries that provide vital goods or services.
Proposed: All industry is owned and operated by the state.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Radio stations.
Old value:: All radio stations are private.
Current: The government subsidises a national radio station for educational and informational purposes; other private non-subsidised radio stations are allowed.
Proposed: All radio stations are owned by the state.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change Television stations.
Old value:: All television media are private.
Current: The government subsidises a national TV station for educational and informational purposes; other private non-subsidised TV stations are allowed.
Proposed: All television stations are owned by the state.
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change The funding of sports clubs.
Old value:: The government does not fund sports clubs; only private ones are allowed.
Current: The government funds some sports clubs side-by-side with private ones.
Proposed: All sports clubs are government owned and run.
Article 5
Proposal[?] to change Government policy on Democratic Workers' Councils.
Old value:: The government does not intervene in the marketplace with regards to Democratic Workers' Councils.
Current: The government does not intervene in the marketplace with regards to Democratic Workers' Councils.
Proposed: The government requires all businesses to be run by Democratic Workers' Councils.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 06:05:11, August 23, 2015 CET | From | Kirlawan People's Justice Party | To | Debating the Experiment, 3896 |
| Message | People's Action Party had earlier posted to this EXACT SAME BILL, containing these EXACT SAME ARTICLES: > Date 16:26:33, August 21, 2015 CET > From People's Action Party > To Debating the . > Message Against, due to that the complete control of these institutions by > the state will stifle the economy and even destroy our infrastructure and the > means to distribute resources to the people of Kirlawa Again, that had been to this EXACT SAME BILL, containing these EXACT SAME ARTICLES. |
| Date | 06:06:40, August 23, 2015 CET | From | Kirlawan People's Justice Party | To | Debating the Experiment, 3896 |
| Message | Also, please see their comment at http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=445774 "However, some things, such as the industry being completely controlled by the state, are not deemed favorable with the PAP." OR SO THEY CLAIM. |
| Date | 15:26:40, August 23, 2015 CET | From | Conservative Party of Kirlawa | To | Debating the Experiment, 3896 |
| Message | Perhaps they are voting for the bill because they feel that they could revert some of the articles passed later on? Is that what they might be saying? |
| Date | 16:58:56, August 23, 2015 CET | From | People's Action Party | To | Debating the Experiment, 3896 |
| Message | That's exactly right |
| Date | 18:29:37, August 23, 2015 CET | From | Kirlawan People's Justice Party | To | Debating the Experiment, 3896 |
| Message | But that doesn't make any sense whatsoever! What that reminds me of, is: Citizen: "Why in the world did you pass that new law?" Party representative: "But of course. We passed it specifically in order so that we could then repeal it. If we hadn't passed it, then we wouldn't be able to repeal it, you see?" Citizen: "That doesn't make any sense. Wouldn't it be much simpler to just avoid passing it in the first place?" Party representative: "It's like hitting yourself in the head with a hammer -- the reason you do it, is because it feels so good when you stop." Citizen: "But who would ever do such a thing?! ... No wonder everyone hates politicians." |
| Date | 22:06:51, August 23, 2015 CET | From | People's Action Party | To | Debating the Experiment, 3896 |
| Message | We would only repeal parts of the law that we didn't like |
| Date | 02:24:34, August 24, 2015 CET | From | Conservative Party of Kirlawa | To | Debating the Experiment, 3896 |
| Message | Why exactly he chooses that route is anybody's guess. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes | Total Seats: 210 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 507 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
| Random fact: "Game mechanics comes first." For example, if a currently-enforced bill sets out one law, then a player cannot claim the government has set out a contradictory law. |
| Random quote: "It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong." - Voltaire |