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Bill: Work Act Part I (Minimal Income and End of Minimum Wage)
Details
Submitted by[?]: Demokrat Konservativen Partei (DKP)
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: April 3906
Description[?]:
| We recognize that minimum wages has been a very important fight for minimal life conditions in the past. Only, we think we can put this behind us by providing to every citizens a minimal income which can be supplemented by the money they can gain by working. For this to work, we must abolish minimum wage, or else the gap between the income of those working and those don't working will be too great. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The nation's policy on minimum wage regulation.
Old value:: There shall be a minimum wage at a level that a single full time worker on it can adequately subsist.
Current: There shall be a minimum wage at a level that a single full time worker on it can adequately subsist.
Proposed: There is no provision for a minimum wage.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Guarantee of minimum income.
Old value:: All adults not supported by another person shall be guaranteed a very basic subsistence income by the government.
Current: There shall be no direct cash payments to individuals to guarantee a minimum income.
Proposed: All adults not supported by another person shall be guaranteed a reasonable, though not high, standard of living by the government.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 04:25:55, September 10, 2015 CET | From | Communist Party of Darnussia | To | Debating the Work Act Part I (Minimal Income and End of Minimum Wage) |
| Message | Article 4 is entirely unacceptable, and despite the desirability of the other three articles, it is this article alone that will decide our vote. Scrapping the minimum wage is a dangerous provocation of the workers, and can only lead to strife. |
| Date | 04:40:00, September 10, 2015 CET | From | Demokrat Konservativen Partei (DKP) | To | Debating the Work Act Part I (Minimal Income and End of Minimum Wage) |
| Message | Dear colleagues, We understand your concerns, and we do not pretend the minimal wage did nothing to help workers, but what we are proposing makes this superfluous and counterproductive. Think about it. If everyone has enough to live well without any job, what is the point of having a minimal wage? Minimal wage actually hurts those who don't have a job by creating a gap between unemployed income and employed income. We feel that one article cannot go without the other. Johann Schroeter Spokesperson on Health and Social Services |
| Date | 05:33:54, September 10, 2015 CET | From | National Party (NP) | To | Debating the Work Act Part I (Minimal Income and End of Minimum Wage) |
| Message | But if a man has the guarantee of a regular income without working... why should he ever search a work? Many unproductive people would think this way, and our nation would suffer in the short and long term of a deterioration of the productivity, and next, of the economy. We are also against the first three articles so we will not vote Yes anyway, but I can suggest that to come to an agreement with the Communist Party you could change the Article 4 to: "All adults not supported by another person shall be guaranteed a very basic subsistence income by the government. However, the provision of this is not to exceed a certian period of time.", so every unemployed will have the right to an income for a period of time, but when the government (or his subsidiaries) finds a job for him he must go working there or he must renunce to his guaranteed income. With this solution I think you could also delete the change to the minimum wage, considering that this is a homogeneous implementation with that fiscal support to workers. - Werner Achterop, Pres. of the NP |
| Date | 08:16:12, September 10, 2015 CET | From | Zentrum | To | Debating the Work Act Part I (Minimal Income and End of Minimum Wage) |
| Message | Honorable Members, The Centre's resident economists have concluded that there are certain benefits to a minimum wage, beyond a guaranteed livelihood for the unemployed. The notion under consideration is that the minimum wage ensures a certain level of efficiency in how businesses employ their labour. Such an incentive provides unseen gains to countries that might desire lower costs of living through automation or better capital usage. Something for the Members to consider. Vine Fynn, Erste Exekutive auf die Zentrum Kongress |
| Date | 14:04:35, September 10, 2015 CET | From | Demokrat Konservativen Partei (DKP) | To | Debating the Work Act Part I (Minimal Income and End of Minimum Wage) |
| Message | Dear colleagues, We would like the Zentrum to tell us more about the benefits the minimal wage gives to us. We are interested to discuss the subject. Jan Brunsiek, Parliementary leader of the DKP |
| Date | 22:26:02, September 10, 2015 CET | From | Demokrat Konservativen Partei (DKP) | To | Debating the Work Act Part I (Minimal Income and End of Minimum Wage) |
| Message | Dear colleagues, We don't know if this is allowed in this chamber, but we submit you this chronicle, which expresses well what we are trying to say (that minimum wage doesn't serve to anything in a basic income society) : http://www.huffingtonpost.com/scott-santens/minimum-wages-vs-universal-basic-income_b_7957850.html John Matthews, DKP spokesperson on Finances |
| Date | 00:24:21, September 11, 2015 CET | From | Zentrum | To | Debating the Work Act Part I (Minimal Income and End of Minimum Wage) |
| Message | From my personal understanding, they say the minimum wage forces businesses to employ people only if they will perform a job of a certain level of usefulness. This means labour is used more efficiently. I believe your chronicle explains this, albeit in a negative fashion. The distinction between a minimum wage and a universal basic income is minor. Existing provisions for a basic income already exist, and are more in line with the proposal outlined in your chronicle. Vine Fynn, Erste Exekutive auf die Zentrum Kongress |
| Date | 00:35:55, September 11, 2015 CET | From | Demokrat Konservativen Partei (DKP) | To | Debating the Work Act Part I (Minimal Income and End of Minimum Wage) |
| Message | Dear colleagues, Minimum wage forces business to not employ some people when they wouldn't be useful enough at the minimum salary to make it profitable. This isn't efficiency, it means that there will be more unemployed people than otherwise. If there were no minimum wage, those business could hire more people while giving them less money, but since there would be a substantial minimum income, nobody would be forced to work in order to live. The major distinction between them is that there aren't welfare traps in the minimum income. Nevetheless, we see much resistance to this idea, so we will split it from our bill. And as we talked a lot about minimal income / minimal wage in this conversation, we will actually create a new bill about our reform on the strike rights. Johann Schroeter Spokesperson on Health and Social Services |
| Date | 06:58:15, September 11, 2015 CET | From | Zentrum | To | Debating the Work Act Part I (Minimal Income and End of Minimum Wage) |
| Message | The Centre appreciates the split- it endorses those changes. However, it contests that the minimum wage does in fact create efficiency, as the effect of the legislation meets the actual definition of the word. Vine Fynn, Erste Exekutive auf die Zentrum Kongress |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 61 | |||
| no |
Total Seats: 172 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 68 |
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