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Bill: School Finance Bill, 3911
Details
Submitted by[?]: Folkepartiet (People's Party)
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: March 3912
Description[?]:
| AN ACT to achieve financial equality between public and non-profit private schools. 1) Eligibility for funding per student (1) Where the Minister of Education is satisfied that a school meets the criteria of this section, that school shall be eligible to receive an amount of funding per student equal to the amount per year set in the budget; (2) The amount to be transferred per student shall be the same for all schools; (3) No school shall receive funding that does not follow the guidelines set in the National Curriculum; (4) No school that works for profit shall receive funding; (5) No religious school shall receive funding unless they conform to the regulations set under the Religious Schools Act. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government funding for private schools.
Old value:: Private educational institutions receive no government funding whatsoever.
Current: Private educational institutions receive no government funding whatsoever.
Proposed: Government funding for private schools applies only to charter and religious schools.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 10:17:39, September 23, 2015 CET | From | Folkepartiet (People's Party) | To | Debating the School Finance Bill, 3911 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, It has been a longstanding wish of our party and of many people up and down Kazulia to achieve financial equality and recognition for our excellent religious and charter schools, to make them accessible to all of our families and their children. We believe that we can make our education system more diverse and therefore better by incorporating the different focuses of these schools. The National Curriculum offers us the ability to keep standards up to par, we don't have to worry about that - it's therefore a win-win situation. I urge Storting to approve this bill. Nelline Opland FP Leader |
| Date | 10:21:46, September 23, 2015 CET | From | Høyre (Right Vote!) | To | Debating the School Finance Bill, 3911 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, This proposal does overload already quite overloaded budget that was left by Center-Left Coalition. We must think about reducing government spending, given the deficits in the budget. Trond Gulbrandsen Leader of Majority |
| Date | 10:40:31, September 23, 2015 CET | From | Folkepartiet (People's Party) | To | Debating the School Finance Bill, 3911 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, If I may, that is an absolutely ridiculous argument. Thanks in no small part to myself and other Folkepartiet colleagues, the last coalition did not get around to raising spending. The previous government in which the gentleman's party participated did not do anything to cut spending either. This bill is a point of principle, of the role of the state in Education. We believe it is not right that our children are effectively subjected to a postcode lottery of public school A versus public school B because private schools which may be right for them are too expensive and the preserve of the wealthy. The additional cost will be negligible - after all, the overwhelming majority of pupils is in state schools and it will be entirely budget-neutral if they decide to go to a religious or charter school instead, as any school would get the same amount of money as under the current system. It can be achieved on the same budget, and I am confident that it might even be possible under a smaller budget, though we would direct the necessary cuts elsewhere. Roald Gamst Pedersen (FP - Flindar) FP Finance Spokesman |
| Date | 11:10:11, September 23, 2015 CET | From | Borgerlig-Demokratiske Union | To | Debating the School Finance Bill, 3911 |
| Message | Mr Speaker, I urge our esteemed coalition partner to reconsider. The proposed reform would not compel us to raising spending as the existing budget would be re-allocated among a wider range of schools and the same amount of pupils. Additionally, competition among schools might even drive the cost of education overall down without affecting the quality of services, as is common in a market-based system. Leya Nordahl (FV) Minister of Finance |
| Date | 11:11:47, September 23, 2015 CET | From | Folkepartiet (People's Party) | To | Debating the School Finance Bill, 3911 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, I am not too keen on the term market for this system, as schools will not necessarily have to compete - such is not their role, but I am grateful to the Minister of Finance for her support. Nelline Opland FP Leader |
| Date | 12:59:15, September 23, 2015 CET | From | Høyre (Right Vote!) | To | Debating the School Finance Bill, 3911 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, taking into consideration the opinion of the Minister of Education and Minister of Finance, we will support this bill. Trond Gulbrandsen Leader of Majority |
| Date | 13:43:18, September 23, 2015 CET | From | Sivilisasjonspartiet | To | Debating the School Finance Bill, 3911 |
| Message | Herr Talman, Sivilisasjonspartiet would like to extend funding far further than this, but we are satisfied with this change for now. Aneirin Gwynn SP |
| Date | 00:34:15, September 24, 2015 CET | From | Folkepartiet (People's Party) | To | Debating the School Finance Bill, 3911 |
| Message | (OOC: Has Høyre u-turned again or has Benkito simply forgotten to change his vote?) |
| Date | 10:41:59, September 24, 2015 CET | From | Folkepartiet | To | Debating the School Finance Bill, 3911 |
| Message | Herr President, SF can certainly see the advantages of allowing a wider range of teaching method to be available to our people. Certainly, each child is different, and understandably it is near impossible at the current moment for our Education Ministry to set up an individual school in each method in every city across the land. Provided, of course, that we aid children in paying fees to attend said school - which I do believe is current policy - then this is a policy we can support. Rasmus Sunde SF Leader |
| Date | 10:46:16, September 24, 2015 CET | From | Høyre (Right Vote!) | To | Debating the School Finance Bill, 3911 |
| Message | Herr President, Høyre change their vote to No. We simply believe that Government didn't made enough cuts to support this proposal. Welfare Reform Act, 3911 and Minimum Wage Regulations Bills won't pass Storting. These are some of the key cuts in budget. Trond Gulbrandsen Høyre |
| Date | 11:00:42, September 24, 2015 CET | From | Folkepartiet (People's Party) | To | Debating the School Finance Bill, 3911 |
| Message | Herr President, I am most unpleasantly surprised by the second flip-flop from Høyre in the short time this proposal has been before the Storting. As colleague Gamst Pedersen expressed earlier, this proposal is budget-neutral. In addition, a minimum wage cut is not a budget cut. As for the argument about the welfare cuts, it is not my fault his coalition partners have taken turns to oppose different parts of his reforms. I simply don't get it. Why is Høyre blocking a fiscally sound reform, backed by his own Finance Minister, to our education system that they support in principle? I hate to contribute to the acrimonious atmosphere that has prevailed in the Storting recently, so I hope that Mr. Gulbrandsen can reassure me, but the only reason I can imagine is that he is determined that if he doesn't get his reforms, nobody gets theirs. Nelline Opland FP Leader |
| Date | 14:29:59, September 24, 2015 CET | From | Høyre (Right Vote!) | To | Debating the School Finance Bill, 3911 |
| Message | Herr President, Mrs. Opland is right! ''We act as if we were in kindergarten, if we don't get our reforms, nobody gets theirs.'' (He said sarcastically) Trond Gulbrandsen Høyre |
| Date | 14:46:21, September 24, 2015 CET | From | Folkepartiet (People's Party) | To | Debating the School Finance Bill, 3911 |
| Message | Herr President, I know sarcasm when I encounter it, but one has to wonder why Herr Gulbrandsen is being so evasive. I posed Høyre a legitimate question: the proposal is largely budget-neutral. If he is as serious about avoiding kindergarten politics as his sarcasm suggests, then he should have no problem answering it. How on earth can they then pretend that the failure of their welfare cuts then changes anything about their consideration, other than in terms of political retribution? Nelline Opland FP Leader |
| Date | 14:47:20, September 24, 2015 CET | From | Folkepartiet (People's Party) | To | Debating the School Finance Bill, 3911 |
| Message | (OOC: Oops, wrong sentence order. Disregard the last post and take this one as a correction.) Herr President, I know sarcasm when I encounter it, but one has to wonder why Herr Gulbrandsen is being so evasive. I posed Høyre a legitimate question. If he is as serious about avoiding kindergarten politics as his sarcasm suggests, then he should have no problem answering it. The proposal is largely budget-neutral. How on earth can they then pretend that the failure of their welfare cuts then changes anything about their consideration, other than in terms of political retribution? Nelline Opland FP Leader |
| Date | 15:08:27, September 24, 2015 CET | From | Høyre (Right Vote!) | To | Debating the School Finance Bill, 3911 |
| Message | Herr President, In May 3909, Government, in which Folkepartiet was proposed Appropriations Act in the purpose of increasing the education budget, because they needed funds for foundation of religion schools. Appropriations Act didn't pass. Current education budget stay the same. And Høyre believe that there is not space for financing this Law. Sorry, but Høyre won't support this Bill. Folkepartiet should look for support among theirs former coalition partners. Trond Gulbrandsen Høyre |
| Date | 15:14:13, September 24, 2015 CET | From | Folkepartiet (People's Party) | To | Debating the School Finance Bill, 3911 |
| Message | Herr President, I'm afraid I'm going to have to correct Herr Gulbrandsen. He has got the order all mixed up, as my colleague Gamst Pedersen will be able to confirm. Our parliamentary group had serious doubts about the Appropriations Act's fiscal responsibility. To effect a compromise, the Statsminister then -hinted- that one of our longstanding policy priorities was on the table. We were unable to negotiate a compromise, the budget did not pass because we did not feel we had enough to vote for, precisely because it did not contain funds earmarked for religious and charter schools. So will Herr Gulbrandsen now answer the question: why has he u-turned? Even his Finance Minister says the proposal fits into the budget as it is currently before Storting! Nelline Opland FP Leader |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 68 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 71 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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