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Bill: Subsidies to Economy
Details
Submitted by[?]: Høyre (Right Vote!)
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: April 3912
Description[?]:
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government policy on industry and subsidies to industrial operations.
Old value:: The government acts as an investor of last resort, by nationalizing failing industries that provide vital goods or services.
Current: Certain industries are owned by the state, all others are under private ownership.
Proposed: The government does not intervene in the market nor provide any form of subsidies/relief to industries.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 14:38:39, September 23, 2015 CET | From | Folkepartiet (People's Party) | To | Debating the Subsidies to Economy |
| Message | Herr Talman, So let's get this straight: if the bus service in my constituency, contracted as it is, were for some hypothetical reason to go bust, the government would take no effort to provide any sort of relief to those who will quite literally miss the bus because of their policies? And if my bank were to fold, then is the government seriously suggesting it is my own fault that I've lost all my savings? Finn Martinsen (FP - Dreton) Trade and Industry Spokesman |
| Date | 15:49:06, September 23, 2015 CET | From | Høyre (Right Vote!) | To | Debating the Subsidies to Economy |
| Message | Mr. Martinsen, I want to remind you that the monopoly is prohibited in Kazulmark, that means if one bus service hypothetical go bust, most likely there will be others who are still working. But, how many bus services were contracted in your constituency is the matter of local government. As for other things, the state of Kazulmark will not subsidize private/public businesses, even in the case of disaster. The market is free, allowing you to succeed, but also to go bust. Tobias Falk Minister of Trade and Industry |
| Date | 15:56:34, September 23, 2015 CET | From | Folkepartiet (People's Party) | To | Debating the Subsidies to Economy |
| Message | Point of Order, Mr. Speaker, I was under the impression that it is not admissible to refer directly to fellow members of the House. Herr President, So if my grandmother puts her life savings on a bank and that bank goes bust, the government's response is: sorry, but we've got a free market? Don't get me wrong, I'm all for the private sector in most places, but there are limits and this is one. You can't expect consumers to have the kind of information to protect themselves against the consequences of the services they rely on going bust. Or does the Minister intend that my grandmother should have to learn how to interpret the stock market indices before she puts money into her savings account? (laughter from the Folkepartiet Parliamentary Group) Finn Martinsen (FP - Dreton) Trade and Industry Spokesman |
| Date | 16:25:00, September 23, 2015 CET | From | Høyre (Right Vote!) | To | Debating the Subsidies to Economy |
| Message | Herr President, First, my apologies due the breach of the rules when I addressed direct to Mr. Martinsen. Second! Simply, YES. Your grandmother and any other citizen has free will to choose where he or she will put his or her money. If bank goes bust, then the Bank, its management is responsible towards their clients not the State. What do you want to say. That if your bank go bust, State shoud subsidie the bank and save your money? Why should the money of other citizens cover the losses of private banks. Do you maybe want to say that their (other citizens) money should be spent to save yours, if your bank go bust? Tobias Falk Minister of Trade and Industry |
| Date | 16:43:46, September 23, 2015 CET | From | Folkepartiet (People's Party) | To | Debating the Subsidies to Economy |
| Message | Herr President, I hate to disabuse the Minister of his illusion that man is a perfectly rational computer and that everyone has all the information all the time as well as the faculty to use it, but my grandmother can hardly get to her Wednesday nights bridge club, let alone travelling all over the city to look at what the best bank for her savings is. It's a long-running affair, she and many other Kazulians with her have had their savings in the same bank for ages; they won't be told every change of investment policy, let alone understand it. It's ridiculous to tell them we can't guarantee them their life's savings because it's their own fault the bank made a bad investment they had no say in. The next time there is a financial story in the press, the government can expect a run on it, forcing the bank under, and chances are it won't be a small one either. But apparently, that's alright, because there is a satisfactory answer to every question. I suggest we can make great savings in the area of government spin doctors; there is one answer to all our citizens' woes. Your bank goes bust and your life's savings are lost? Sorry, but we've got a free market. Your children suddenly have no means to get to school because the school bus service has gone bust, and it takes months for a new service to start operating even if there is one? Sorry, but we've got a free market. You're on a minimum wage with three children and can't subsist on a single-worker subsistence income? Sorry, but we've got a free market. The weather is bad? You've lost your keys? Sorry, but we've got a free market. (laughter from the opposition benches) Okay, I admit that last part is absurd, Herr President. But it isn't wide of the mark of the general attitude this government takes towards the very real problems of very real people. I'm not a socialist and never will be, but I am not for looking away as people who don't deserve it lose vital services, and I'm certainly not for telling them they actually do deserve it, which is what the Minister is doing. I can't believe my ears. Finn Martinsen (FP - Dreton) Trade and Industry Spokesman |
| Date | 10:24:18, September 24, 2015 CET | From | Folkepartiet | To | Debating the Subsidies to Economy |
| Message | Herr President, It is worrying to we on these benches to see the Government take us back in time. There has been a long acceptance among the academic circles in our nation - and in many places across this world - about the problems in true, unregulated, free market capitalism. The simple problem, of course, is that such a thing simply cannot exist. The Free market is a myth, Herr President, a myth promoted by those who can best survive the ups and downs of the market unscathed. It will surprise no one that SF will vote against this bill, and I applaud my colleague from FP for his vocal attack against this absurd bill. It is a vision of what is to come from this Government. We are to expect an uncaring elite to talk down to we poor plebs on the ground. (Looks over to the green benches) I certainly hope that my dear Colleagues in the Dei Grøne feel comfortable with their choices. Rasmus Sunde SF Leader |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||||
| yes | Total Seats: 49 | ||||||
| no |
Total Seats: 90 | ||||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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