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Bill: Creating a Democracy
Details
Submitted by[?]: Choice
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: March 3913
Description[?]:
| For too long has our nation been ruled by unelected monarchs whom leach of the system and contribute nothing. It is time to reform this, and with the dissolution of a major monarchist party (the AAL) and growing republican support, we now finally propose its abolition! |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Structure of the executive branch.
Old value:: The Head of State is hereditary and symbolic; the Head of Government chairs the cabinet.
Current: The Head of State is hereditary and symbolic; the Head of Government chairs the cabinet.
Proposed: The Head of State and Head of Government are two separate officials.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 12:58:59, September 25, 2015 CET |
From | Liberal Alliance | To | Debating the Creating a Democracy | | Message | Mr Speaker
Party members of Choice. It is like a coward you propose this when the seats in the Diet are'nt filled. If this goes through, we will have a civil war. |
| Date | 13:12:55, September 25, 2015 CET |
From | Choice | To | Debating the Creating a Democracy | | Message | Mr Speaker
It is also cowardly to vote in favour of arresting a man just because he proposed abolishing the monarchy! Trying to silence a republican voice. Also, the majority of seats were in favour of its abolishment even with the AAL in place, it's just that it needs 2/3rds to pass. Thus morally, the majority of people wants its abolition, it's just that due to constitutional protocols we were unable to enforce the will of the majority of people.
Joe Purefoy MP
Imperial Seal-Bearer |
| Date | 13:58:20, September 25, 2015 CET |
From | Conservative Party of Luthori | To | Debating the Creating a Democracy | | Message | OOC: If this goes through I will be talking to moderation. Luthori is a very Monarchist country and most citizens would not support this change if we are playing realistically. This is a really low move by you, Choice. |
| Date | 14:13:26, September 25, 2015 CET |
From | Choice | To | Debating the Creating a Democracy | | Message | OOC: This is a very spoilt and childish reaction. It's the way of the game, it's democracy. If most citizens would not support its abolishment, then why are so many republican parties getting seats? Enough for at least a majority. Plus most players want to get rid of our monarchy. It makes for interesting RP. RP wise, we can state that the monarchy has become increasingly less popular, especially in the turn of the century. |
| Date | 14:56:27, September 25, 2015 CET |
From | Liberal Alliance | To | Debating the Creating a Democracy | | Message | OOC: the AI is'nt capable in reading parties eventual "republican" or "monarchistic" views. The AI has created a population with views on centralization, civil rights, ecology, foreign relations, government, market, military, molarity and religion. Not peoples view on the constitution. So the low move on "republican parties getting seats" is just a lame opinion. |
| Date | 14:58:57, September 25, 2015 CET |
From | Choice | To | Debating the Creating a Democracy | | Message | OOC: In that case, the AI also is incapable of reading whether or not the nation is monarchist or not. |
| Date | 15:02:03, September 25, 2015 CET |
From | Liberal Alliance | To | Debating the Creating a Democracy | | Message | OOC: the AI is'nt capable in reading parties eventual "republican" or "monarchistic" views. The AI has created a population with views on centralization, civil rights, ecology, foreign relations, government, market, military, molarity and religion. Not peoples view on the constitution. So the low move on "republican parties getting seats" is just a lame opinion. |
| Date | 15:23:08, September 25, 2015 CET |
From | Choice | To | Debating the Creating a Democracy | | Message | OOC: Okay. But also stating that Luthori is a very pro monarchist nation by that logic is also untrue. |
| Date | 21:58:29, September 25, 2015 CET |
From | Conservative Party of Luthori | To | Debating the Creating a Democracy | | Message | OOC: Read our cultural protocols that are recognized by moderation, and the wiki, it says it there.
IC:
Mr. Speaker,
We urge all parties to oppose this legislation.
When Choice registers for elections every once and a while they always come to this Diet with a main objective of repealing our fair, independent Monarch. What Choice fails to realize and tell you is that a head of state that is independent, symbolic and enriched in Luthorian tradition is the best head of state for Luthori and every other nation in Terra for that matter. An elected head of state would be extremley partisan and will end up being elected with only the support of a certain amount of Luthorians rather than all of them. It is better if we maintain our monarchy that represents all citizens of Luthori rather than a foreign 'President', that only represents a select few.
Bryan Arinson
Leader of the Conservatives |
| Date | 22:24:26, September 25, 2015 CET |
From | Choice | To | Debating the Creating a Democracy | | Message | OOC: We have had elected heads of states before, somewhat recently, and nothing went wrong then. |
| Date | 22:42:52, September 25, 2015 CET |
From | Conservative Party of Luthori | To | Debating the Creating a Democracy | | Message | OOC: Why would it have? It's in the game's wiring, nothing could have gone wrong. But Luthori is a Monarchist country, if you don't like it, leave. I'm getting tired of people coming in here and pretending it's some oppressed monarchist nation with a populist wanting a Republic, because it isn't like that. |
| Date | 22:54:13, September 25, 2015 CET |
From | Choice | To | Debating the Creating a Democracy | | Message | OOC: We have to disagree. The monarchy has been at least partially removed before, in game terms this shows that the monarchy is vulnerable. This it is pretty feasible that RP wise, there is at least almost a 50 50 split in monarchists and republicans in the nation, which IMO makes for more interesting game play. |
| Date | 23:14:47, September 25, 2015 CET |
From | Choice | To | Debating the Creating a Democracy | | Message | OOC: I'd beg to differ, it's closer to 50 50, maybe 40 50. |
| Date | 23:24:35, September 25, 2015 CET |
From | Choice | To | Debating the Creating a Democracy | | Message | OOC: Times change. Since the protocols were updated, new generations have been and gone. |
| Date | 00:13:45, September 26, 2015 CET |
From | Choice | To | Debating the Creating a Democracy | | Message | OOC: As I said, I think it's closer to 50 50 or so now. There's probably a growing republican sentiment nonetheless. |
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Seats |
| yes | Total Seats: 83 |
| no | Total Seats: 150 |
| abstain | Total Seats: 75 |
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