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Bill: ISM Reenforcment of Man Law Bill
Details
Submitted by[?]: Conservative Liberal Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: June 2173
Description[?]:
The leader of the ISM watched a documentary about human cloning and felt very, very ill.
The Party itself believes that the random process that is the creation of human life should be maintained as exactly that, a random process. Therefore we are of the opinion that the cloning of human beings should be banned. We do not like the idea that 'scientists' currently have unfettered rights to do as they please with cloning human beings, and many Conservatives already feel hostility to these clones, who are so much better at everything than we normals are. Thus, lets ban the clones, and save the random nature of human life. Any form of human cloning shall be banned. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 21:26:22, January 14, 2006 CET |
From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the ISM Reenforcment of Man Law Bill | | Message | The AAS opposes. While we can sympathise with the weak stomachs of the higher echelons of the Conservative Party... we believe the potential benefits, in curing illnesses and disease, far outweigh the small 'ick' factor some politicians may feel. |
| Date | 21:41:15, January 14, 2006 CET |
From | Conservative Liberal Party | To | Debating the ISM Reenforcment of Man Law Bill | | Message | No, we should, as far as is possible, allow the creation of humans to be natural. What gives us the right to interfere in the genetic code of human beings? We have no right, and we are allowing a vile practice to continue unabated within our nation. |
| Date | 22:56:10, January 14, 2006 CET |
From | Conservative Liberal Party | To | Debating the ISM Reenforcment of Man Law Bill | | Message | You do not have the right, because scientists should not have the right to alter the natural human genetic code. We quite enjoy the natural randomness of humanity, we feel it is nice that we are all born different, we would not like to see society become a nation of clones, which is what cloning will effectively lead too, as clones will be superior to random humans in every way, and will eventually come to dominate our society. |
| Date | 23:18:04, January 14, 2006 CET |
From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the ISM Reenforcment of Man Law Bill | | Message | Why should scientists not have the right to alter the natural genetic code? We 'own' our bodies, we 'own' our reproductive cells... thus we can trade or play with them as we please.
The AAS would also like to point out that cloning as the CP envisions it, is largely media hype. There is no 'clone army'.
We would also like to point out that eugenics programs existed long before cloning. |
| Date | 23:39:00, January 14, 2006 CET |
From | Conservative Liberal Party | To | Debating the ISM Reenforcment of Man Law Bill | | Message | We would prefer it if you were to produce other life forms naturally, we do not see why you would want to have a carbon copy of you and we feel that arguments about hereditary diseases are not the right arguments to be made with this matter.
How can we be sure that scientists aren't building up a 'clone army', its not as if the government even regulates cloning |
| Date | 23:57:32, January 14, 2006 CET |
From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the ISM Reenforcment of Man Law Bill | | Message | The AAS has a large scientific contingent, who assure the leadership that 'clone armies' are nothing more than science fiction.
They point out that almost all cloning, at the moment, is concerned with growing replacement organs, and cultivating various cell types (including blood). |
| Date | 11:11:21, January 15, 2006 CET |
From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the ISM Reenforcment of Man Law Bill | | Message | The AAS does not seek to make any guarantees about the matter. We are just speaking from what is currently available in the scientific journals, and the research and design community.
According to current research, cloning of full human bodies, that are capable of surviving much beyond the process, looks to be very difficult. Animal testing has given very mixed results, which have thus far prevented much serious endeavour in the field.
Thus, the research is almost all being spent where it can be most useful... the laboratory production of transplant organs keyed to specific immune systems (non-rejectable transplants would be a godsend), and the replacement of tissue and blood cells. |
| Date | 17:56:27, January 16, 2006 CET |
From | AM Radical Libertarian Party | To | Debating the ISM Reenforcment of Man Law Bill | | Message | RLP always supports the right of research and the right of property; therefore this bill must be vigorously opposed. We do not wish to become a scientific backwater; we should be at the forefront of progress! |
| Date | 20:35:53, January 16, 2006 CET |
From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the ISM Reenforcment of Man Law Bill | | Message | Oh, indeed.... the AAS is MORE than happy with our current Likatonians, which is why we care for them so much, we are willing to look into cloning for their medication. |
| Date | 00:53:19, January 17, 2006 CET |
From | Conservative Liberal Party | To | Debating the ISM Reenforcment of Man Law Bill | | Message | Progress is not always something that should be encouraged. We should be brave enough to stand up for what is natural and fight against the perversions of immoral scientists. |
| Date | 15:48:17, January 17, 2006 CET |
From | AM Radical Libertarian Party | To | Debating the ISM Reenforcment of Man Law Bill | | Message | I suspect the same arguement was made against those immoral scientists who advocated the use of something unnatural like building huts instead of living in natural things like caves, or trying to use something as dangerous as fire. |
| Date | 16:16:30, January 17, 2006 CET |
From | Conservative Liberal Party | To | Debating the ISM Reenforcment of Man Law Bill | | Message | You think scientists did that? Manipulating the human body is in a far different field to what you are discussing. In fact it is so far away I see no relevance and shall discount your comments as the utterings of another clone master who is secretly building up either a clone army, or a den of sin with your clone partners.. of all three sexes. |
| Date | 05:12:18, January 18, 2006 CET |
From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the ISM Reenforcment of Man Law Bill | | Message | The AAS endorses the latest RLP candidates. There have always been factions that would hold back the entire population, just because of their superstitions. We should not allow such factions to govern us. |
| Date | 19:16:48, January 19, 2006 CET |
From | Proletariat Revolution Party | To | Debating the ISM Reenforcment of Man Law Bill | | Message | Back in the country's earlier days; the days before our temporary disappearance, in the time period of 2060-2080, this very topic was hotly debated, and I once took the side of ISM, but, after much reconsideration and passage of time, SLp finds that it is in agreement with AAS. We are no longer back in a time when this technology is in its alpha stage. it has reached a point where it is now beneficial to us.
Nowhere in the process of cloning is stem cell research mentioned. If it was stem cells, I might see a legitiment arguement from the conservative side. They'd be validating their point by claiming to be protecting an unborn life. However, in this case, it is people with the ability to consent providing the genetic material.
No law can stop people from doing strange stuff to their body. We can legislate it, but people will still do stupid stuff anyway like get tattoos and drink themselves stupid. As long as science permits it and people donate themselves to the cause, we should merely regulate it to prevent abuse. |
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| yes | Total Seats: 234 |
| no | Total Seats: 266 |
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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