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Bill: Stop Poverty
Details
Submitted by[?]: Socialist Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: June 2172
Description[?]:
| In Gaduridos, every year 200,000 babies - one third of all those born - are born into poverty. In total 9.7 million people live below the poverty line. Millions more struggle to get by, increasingly having to take two or more jobs just to make ends meet. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Sales tax on essential goods such as food and non-luxury clothing.
Old value:: 10
Current: 0
Proposed: 5
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 11:37:51, January 15, 2006 CET | From | Traxian Imperial Party | To | Debating the Stop Poverty |
| Message | Where do these figures come from? I suggest your wish to help 'the workers' has blinded your political vision. A party cannot represent one group of people, they are maent to represent all people. What aboutyour policies to corporations we need economic and scientific growth are you willing to sarcifice this just to make yourself seem grand and compansionate to the lower classes. The lower classes are there bacause they want to be, if they had an ambition they would climb the ladder. The lack of ambition holds them back, they need to take risks in life, not the laws this government has. |
| Date | 11:51:29, January 15, 2006 CET | From | National Fascisti | To | Debating the Stop Poverty |
| Message | OOC: I'm pretty sure the Socialist Party is making up loads of bullshit just to push his cause (like the government opening fire on demonstrators... right.) |
| Date | 14:20:08, January 15, 2006 CET | From | Post-Revolutionary Pragmatic Party | To | Debating the Stop Poverty |
| Message | The problems you mention, even if they are true, will not be solved by lowering a sales tax by 5 percentage points. |
| Date | 02:40:55, January 16, 2006 CET | From | Socialist Party | To | Debating the Stop Poverty |
| Message | FOR MOST of human history it has not been possible to satisfy even the most basic human needs. Now, as a result of the labour and ingenuity of working people, the potential exists to eliminate want forever. The barrier to achieving this is the capitalist system itself. Based as it is on the private ownership of the productive forces (factories, offices, science and technique), capitalism creates immense inequality and deprivation when the potential exists for providing the material components of a decent life for all. Capitalism is driven by big business' need to make the maximum possible profits. A socialist society, by contrast, would be driven by the need to provide a decent life for all humanity, whilst protecting the environment for future generations. Socialism has to be international. It's impossible to create socialism in one country, surrounded by a world capitalist market. Nonetheless there is an enormous amount that could be achieved by a socialist government after it came to power as part of a transition from capitalism to socialism. A genuine socialist government would extend and deepen democracy enormously. This would be much more far-reaching than the parliamentary democracies of capitalism where we simply get to vote every few years for MPs who do what they like once elected. Elected representatives would only receive the average wage. Nationally, regionally and locally - at every level - elected representatives would be accountable and subject to instant recall. So if the people who'd elected them did not like what their representative did, they could make them stand for immediate re-election and, if they wished, replace them with someone else. It is often argued that socialists simply want to share out the wealth. This, it is asserted, would only mean increased misery for the rich - as the wealth would not be enough to obliterate poverty. But we are not interested in merely doing this. A SOCIALIST economy would have to be a democratically planned economy. This would mean bringing all the big corporations, controlling around 80% of the Daduri economy, into democratic public ownership, under democratic working-class control. Of course it would not mean bringing small businesses, such as local shops, many of which are forced out of business by the multinationals, into public ownership. Nor would it mean, as opponents of socialism claim, taking away personal 'private property'. On the contrary socialists are favour of everyone having the right to a decent home and the other conveniences of modern life. The capitalists argue that a democratically planned economy could not work. Yet, in reality capitalism has provided the tools which could enormously aid the genuine, democratic planning of an economy. We have the internet, market research, supermarket loyalty cards that record the shopping habits of every customer, and so on. Big business uses this technology to find out what it can sell. Could it not be used rationally instead to find out what people need and want? Despite all the propaganda of big business, socialist ideas will continue to gain ground. |
| Date | 08:00:21, January 16, 2006 CET | From | National Fascisti | To | Debating the Stop Poverty |
| Message | Too long, didn't read. Denied. PS. All you seem to do is promote communism, not socialism. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 107 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 334 | |||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 0 |
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