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Bill: Peace Negotiations
Details
Submitted by[?]: Undeb y Gweithwyr Sosialaidd
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: June 3945
Description[?]:
| We are willing to agree to a ceasefire and peace settlement: Our conditions: The democratic ownership of the means of production(at least need most industries to be operated by the Workers Councils), nationalization of some(preferably large but we are willing to compromise heavily on this) banks, and the creation of some state industries(also willing to compromise) Increased workers rights(right to strike without being fired being the prime one) a "National Unity" cabinet with all parties after early elections(we are willing to not have elections but a unity cabinet is a must) We will then: Disband our militia |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Employer's rights in regards to firing striking workers.
Old value:: Employers can fire workers who are deemed to have gone on strike without reasonable reasons.
Current: Employers cannot fire workers who have gone on strike.
Proposed: Employers cannot fire workers who have gone on strike.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Government policy on industry and subsidies to industrial operations.
Old value:: The government does not intervene in the market nor provide any form of subsidies/relief to industries.
Current: All industry is owned and operated by the state.
Proposed: The government acts as an investor of last resort, by nationalizing failing industries that provide vital goods or services.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change Government policy on Democratic Workers' Councils.
Old value:: The government does not intervene in the marketplace with regards to Democratic Workers' Councils.
Current: The government encourages the formation of Democratic Workers' Councils through subsidies and tax exemptions.
Proposed: The government requires all businesses to be run by Democratic Workers' Councils.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 15:38:18, November 28, 2015 CET | From | Liberal Party (Plaid Ryddfrydol) | To | Debating the Peace Negotiations |
| Message | I'm sorry, but the LCM murdered innocent Alorians. I am not willing to allow them into a cabinet at the moment. We agree that workers must have rights, and I'm sure we could discuss the rights of workers. What industries do you want the state to create? |
| Date | 15:48:06, November 28, 2015 CET | From | Undeb y Gweithwyr Sosialaidd | To | Debating the Peace Negotiations |
| Message | These are our proposals. |
| Date | 15:57:51, November 28, 2015 CET | From | Liberal Party (Plaid Ryddfrydol) | To | Debating the Peace Negotiations |
| Message | We'll refuse to be part of a cabinet with the LCM. |
| Date | 16:17:52, November 28, 2015 CET | From | Undeb y Gweithwyr Sosialaidd | To | Debating the Peace Negotiations |
| Message | Fine, the LCM does not have to be part of it. |
| Date | 16:28:06, November 28, 2015 CET | From | Liberal Party (Plaid Ryddfrydol) | To | Debating the Peace Negotiations |
| Message | We can agree to that cabinet then, however the LCM will not be happy, and they will revolt. To stop the violence, we will unfortunately agree to article 2. Article 3 we really do not agree with. If a worker has went on strike for no reason, the business should be allowed to fire them, but we will accept it for the same reason we are accepting article 2. We would prefer The government acts as an investor of last resort, by nationalizing failing industries that provide vital goods or services for article 1. |
| Date | 16:42:33, November 28, 2015 CET | From | Undeb y Gweithwyr Sosialaidd | To | Debating the Peace Negotiations |
| Message | Then possibly we should let them in in some minor position such as Tourism? |
| Date | 16:56:29, November 28, 2015 CET | From | Liberal Party (Plaid Ryddfrydol) | To | Debating the Peace Negotiations |
| Message | Ok, we are willing to let them have that, but if there is another attack, that is void. |
| Date | 16:57:40, November 28, 2015 CET | From | Liberal Party (Plaid Ryddfrydol) | To | Debating the Peace Negotiations |
| Message | The next step is working out who gets what positions in the unity cabinet. |
| Date | 17:06:14, November 28, 2015 CET | From | ALORIAN NATIONAL CONGRESS PARTY (ANC) | To | Debating the Peace Negotiations |
| Message | Your demands are legitimate and ANC sports unconditionally for restoring peace in Aloria |
| Date | 17:23:34, November 28, 2015 CET | From | Undeb y Gweithwyr Sosialaidd | To | Debating the Peace Negotiations |
| Message | Trade and Industry, and finance I believe should go to us. Health and Infrastructure should go the PRO. Tourism to the LCM. the ANC will get Education and Agriculture. The rest will be split between the right wing parties. Not sure about who should get the Prime Ministership. |
| Date | 17:34:17, November 28, 2015 CET | From | Liberal Party (Plaid Ryddfrydol) | To | Debating the Peace Negotiations |
| Message | We were democratically elected, so we believe we should get Head of Government. |
| Date | 17:38:17, November 28, 2015 CET | From | Democratic Party | To | Debating the Peace Negotiations |
| Message | We have stopped the attacks. We would like to get Environment and Tourism. |
| Date | 17:42:01, November 28, 2015 CET | From | Undeb y Gweithwyr Sosialaidd | To | Debating the Peace Negotiations |
| Message | You already have Head of State, which would make you have too much power in the cabinet. |
| Date | 17:46:41, November 28, 2015 CET | From | Democratic Party | To | Debating the Peace Negotiations |
| Message | We agree with Undeb y Gweithwyr Sosialaidd. |
| Date | 17:46:59, November 28, 2015 CET | From | Liberal Party (Plaid Ryddfrydol) | To | Debating the Peace Negotiations |
| Message | My current proposed cabinet: - PRIME MINISTER: Aloria National Party - FOREIGN AFFAIRS: Alorian Front Party - INTERNAL AFFAIRS: Conservative Party of Aloria - FINANCE: Undeb y Gweithwyr Sosialaidd - DEFENCE: Aloria National Party - JUSTICE: Conservative Party of Aloria - INFRASTRUCTURE AND TRANSPORT: Pro - HEALTH AND SOCIAL SERVICES: Pro - EDUCATION AND CULTURE: Alorian National Congress Party - SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY: Alorian Liberty Alliance - FOOD AND AGRICULTURE: Alorian National Congress Party - ENVIRONMENT AND TOURISM: Left Civil Militia - TRADE AND INDUSTRY: Undeb y Gweithwyr Sosialaidd |
| Date | 17:47:33, November 28, 2015 CET | From | Liberal Party (Plaid Ryddfrydol) | To | Debating the Peace Negotiations |
| Message | We were elected for Head of State democratically and fairly. |
| Date | 17:48:25, November 28, 2015 CET | From | Democratic Party | To | Debating the Peace Negotiations |
| Message | Give the Prime Minister post to the IAM? Maybe? |
| Date | 17:48:31, November 28, 2015 CET | From | Liberal Party (Plaid Ryddfrydol) | To | Debating the Peace Negotiations |
| Message | Scrap that, it doesn't include every party. |
| Date | 17:48:54, November 28, 2015 CET | From | Democratic Party | To | Debating the Peace Negotiations |
| Message | OK. Nevermind. |
| Date | 17:50:13, November 28, 2015 CET | From | Democratic Party | To | Debating the Peace Negotiations |
| Message | OK. Nevermind. |
| Date | 17:50:27, November 28, 2015 CET | From | Democratic Party | To | Debating the Peace Negotiations |
| Message | Then what should we do? |
| Date | 17:51:54, November 28, 2015 CET | From | Liberal Party (Plaid Ryddfrydol) | To | Debating the Peace Negotiations |
| Message | My new proposed cabinet: - PRIME MINISTER: Aloria Front Party - FOREIGN AFFAIRS: Aloria National Party - INTERNAL AFFAIRS: Conservative Party of Aloria - FINANCE: Undeb y Gweithwyr Sosialaidd - DEFENCE: Aloria National Party - JUSTICE: Conservative Party of Aloria - INFRASTRUCTURE AND TRANSPORT: IAM - HEALTH AND SOCIAL SERVICES: Pro - EDUCATION AND CULTURE: Alorian National Congress Party - SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY: Alorian Liberty Alliance - FOOD AND AGRICULTURE: Alorian National Congress Party - ENVIRONMENT AND TOURISM: Left Civil Militia - TRADE AND INDUSTRY: Undeb y Gweithwyr Sosialaidd |
| Date | 17:54:41, November 28, 2015 CET | From | Democratic Party | To | Debating the Peace Negotiations |
| Message | The LCM supports this. |
| Date | 17:55:09, November 28, 2015 CET | From | Undeb y Gweithwyr Sosialaidd | To | Debating the Peace Negotiations |
| Message | We can support that. |
| Date | 17:58:01, November 28, 2015 CET | From | New Government Order (NGO) | To | Debating the Peace Negotiations |
| Message | We will oppose that. For being the second largest party, only being given the Infrastructure and transport is an insult. |
| Date | 17:59:11, November 28, 2015 CET | From | Democratic Party | To | Debating the Peace Negotiations |
| Message | The LCM apologizes for the trouble it has caused and it will give part of its budget to the families who lost their friends and loved ones during the revolts. |
| Date | 17:59:31, November 28, 2015 CET | From | Liberal Party (Plaid Ryddfrydol) | To | Debating the Peace Negotiations |
| Message | We thank the LCM for this. |
| Date | 17:59:33, November 28, 2015 CET | From | New Government Order (NGO) | To | Debating the Peace Negotiations |
| Message | And also, this (http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=454746) is going to pass |
| Date | 18:01:46, November 28, 2015 CET | From | Democratic Party | To | Debating the Peace Negotiations |
| Message | If the http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=454746 passes I will resign from the positions in it. |
| Date | 18:04:34, November 28, 2015 CET | From | Liberal Party (Plaid Ryddfrydol) | To | Debating the Peace Negotiations |
| Message | We, again, are in stalemate. Anyone got any suggestions. |
| Date | 18:06:51, November 28, 2015 CET | From | Democratic Party | To | Debating the Peace Negotiations |
| Message | The LCM suggests that we shoul endorce one candidate for president. Here is what we think: if the Prime Minister is from a far-left, left-wing or center-left party, then the President shall be from a right-wing or right-centre party and the other way around. So, we suggest endorcing the ANP for president. |
| Date | 18:09:40, November 28, 2015 CET | From | Liberal Party (Plaid Ryddfrydol) | To | Debating the Peace Negotiations |
| Message | This may sound extremely hypocritical - because there a stalemate, and there doesn't seem to be a method we would all agree upon, there should be an... an... (I don't want to say it) early election. |
| Date | 18:11:00, November 28, 2015 CET | From | Democratic Party | To | Debating the Peace Negotiations |
| Message | The LCM fully supports early elections. Should we propose them or wait a little bit? |
| Date | 18:12:53, November 28, 2015 CET | From | Liberal Party (Plaid Ryddfrydol) | To | Debating the Peace Negotiations |
| Message | http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=454729&vote=yes If you support an early election, vote yes. |
| Date | 18:14:38, November 28, 2015 CET | From | Democratic Party | To | Debating the Peace Negotiations |
| Message | This was a really big progressive step of you. The LCM thanks the ANP and it endorces its candidate for President. We suggest the other parties to do so as well. |
| Date | 18:17:28, November 28, 2015 CET | From | Liberal Party (Plaid Ryddfrydol) | To | Debating the Peace Negotiations |
| Message | We are only supporting an early election because there is no way to form a unity cabinet the way the senate is currently. After this early election, we will not be supporting any further unnecessary elections. |
| Date | 18:20:26, November 28, 2015 CET | From | Undeb y Gweithwyr Sosialaidd | To | Debating the Peace Negotiations |
| Message | We support the LCM's idea and we will endorse the ANP candidate. |
| Date | 18:21:18, November 28, 2015 CET | From | Democratic Party | To | Debating the Peace Negotiations |
| Message | We thank the Undeb and the ANP for their cooperation. |
| Date | 18:23:50, November 28, 2015 CET | From | Democratic Party | To | Debating the Peace Negotiations |
| Message | The stormtroopers of the LCM are going back home. Once again we apologize for causing so much trouble and death. |
| Date | 18:28:52, November 28, 2015 CET | From | Undeb y Gweithwyr Sosialaidd | To | Debating the Peace Negotiations |
| Message | We can support that. |
| Date | 18:34:48, November 28, 2015 CET | From | Undeb y Gweithwyr Sosialaidd | To | Debating the Peace Negotiations |
| Message | We can support that. |
| Date | 18:39:25, November 28, 2015 CET | From | Liberal Party (Plaid Ryddfrydol) | To | Debating the Peace Negotiations |
| Message | http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=454729&vote=yes We advise all parties to vote in favour of this bill, so we can come to a solution. We can see that the IAM, who were involved in piece discussion in the senate today, are voting against. |
| Date | 18:46:00, November 28, 2015 CET | From | Democratic Party | To | Debating the Peace Negotiations |
| Message | The LCM suggest a National Unity cabinet after the elections so that there are no civil wars in the future and because Aloria needs a unity like this. United Power - United People. I think that this should be the name of the Presidental Coalition. |
| Date | 18:49:09, November 28, 2015 CET | From | Conservative | To | Debating the Peace Negotiations |
| Message | The Conservative Party of Aloria will never agree to a bill with any of these three articles under any circumstances. However, where there is substantive agreement or room for negotiation, we will work with all the other parties. - CPA |
| Date | 18:53:21, November 28, 2015 CET | From | Liberal Party (Plaid Ryddfrydol) | To | Debating the Peace Negotiations |
| Message | To CPA: I also hate these articles (apartfrom 1), but this is what is needed to stop Alorian's dying on our streets. I also advise you vore for the early election, as it is impossible to come to logical decisions, put forward legislation, and negotiate the way things are currently. |
| Date | 18:54:38, November 28, 2015 CET | From | Democratic Party | To | Debating the Peace Negotiations |
| Message | What do you mean? If there is no National Unity government we will have to come back on the streets and start the same stuff. We are not afraid to die but is this really a solution that the CPA wants? |
| Date | 19:12:43, November 28, 2015 CET | From | Conservative | To | Debating the Peace Negotiations |
| Message | The CPA will never compromise their principles out of intimidation and fear of violence. The policies are already broadly centrist. That is, Democratic Workers' Councils are allowed but not mandated; employees can only fire striking workers if the strike is unreasonable. However, the Conservative Party of Aloria will continue to work with the parties from across the spectrum to compromise where substantive agreement or room for negotiation exists. - CPA |
| Date | 19:37:54, November 28, 2015 CET | From | Conservative | To | Debating the Peace Negotiations |
| Message | To clarify, though, the CPA will support a unity government if the militias disband and their leaders are charged with treason and war crimes. - CPA |
| Date | 19:41:18, November 28, 2015 CET | From | Undeb y Gweithwyr Sosialaidd | To | Debating the Peace Negotiations |
| Message | What war crimes have I committed? Charge me with treason, fine but such slander is simply unacceptable. -Cadwagan Owen |
| Date | 19:55:57, November 28, 2015 CET | From | Liberal Party (Plaid Ryddfrydol) | To | Debating the Peace Negotiations |
| Message | They did not commit war crimes. However, the LCM did commit terrorism. |
| Date | 20:21:31, November 28, 2015 CET | From | Conservative | To | Debating the Peace Negotiations |
| Message | Noting that the former leaders of the LCM are no longer and the other militias did not commit acts of terrorism, we will concede that we will support a unity government if the militias disband. |
| Date | 20:29:06, November 28, 2015 CET | From | Undeb y Gweithwyr Sosialaidd | To | Debating the Peace Negotiations |
| Message | They will disband once we have the unity government and once we have a deal negotiated on socialistic reforms. |
| Date | 20:35:28, November 28, 2015 CET | From | Democratic Party | To | Debating the Peace Negotiations |
| Message | The LCM will change its name to something else when there is a National Unity Government. |
| Date | 20:42:11, November 28, 2015 CET | From | Liberal Party (Plaid Ryddfrydol) | To | Debating the Peace Negotiations |
| Message | We will vote for this bill if it is put to vote. |
| Date | 20:59:06, November 28, 2015 CET | From | Conservative | To | Debating the Peace Negotiations |
| Message | The CPA records a "no" vote. - CPA |
| Date | 22:09:38, November 28, 2015 CET | From | Alorian Front Party | To | Debating the Peace Negotiations |
| Message | Mr.Speaker, There will be no debate. End these protests, or you all will be prosecuted for operating illegal paramilitaries. I am also sure the people of ALoria will have no problem with that, due to the recent results of the last elections. I Yield |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 321 | ||||||
| no |
Total Seats: 224 | ||||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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