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Bill: Firefighters Are Not The Central Government's to Control Act.
Details
Submitted by[?]: Liberal-Progressive Union
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: April 2173
Description[?]:
| Since it is difficult to control a national fire department and since they are spread out throughout the nation in such a wide fashion, the local governments should have control. Keeping national control over a department that was designed for and who are in charge of, protecting the towns and cities of the entire nation and who do not work for the national government. Local governments who are able to make decisions regarding the fire department without needing the approval from the national government will make the managment of departments much easier. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Firefighting services.
Old value:: There is a national fire department, funded by the government.
Current: Fire prevention and management is left to the local governments.
Proposed: Fire prevention and management is left to the local governments.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 20:38:30, January 16, 2006 CET | From | We Say So! Party | To | Debating the Firefighters Are Not The Central Government's to Control Act. |
| Message | Do note, the national government does not control the fire department, merely guarantees it funding and its ability to work as a cohesive force with good funding. |
| Date | 20:52:49, January 16, 2006 CET | From |  Liberal-Progressive Union | To | Debating the Firefighters Are Not The Central Government's to Control Act. |
| Message | But the control is still with the central government which is what I assume since it is not stated. This actually gives complete control to the local government in all areas and the funding can be better used due to the local knowledge of the exact needs of funding. The central government may not give enough, or give to much to each city for there funding as they are out of touch with the departments which they have little or no contact with. |
| Date | 20:57:41, January 16, 2006 CET | From | We Say So! Party | To | Debating the Firefighters Are Not The Central Government's to Control Act. |
| Message | The problem with allowing the complete control to be given to the local governments is that we have no ability to control how, where, or doing what the money is spent. It could be that local government is running a deficit and so cuts the money to the fire service, but as National Government would have no more say in the matter, it could not be stopped. |
| Date | 20:58:10, January 16, 2006 CET | From | United Blobs | To | Debating the Firefighters Are Not The Central Government's to Control Act. |
| Message | We could accept this law as fire services rarely need to work together. When they do need multiple forces then these would be under the same local government allowing good cooperation under both systems. We, however, would still prefer funding to be allocated at a national level and for the national government to be in control of fire prevention programs. |
| Date | 21:16:25, January 16, 2006 CET | From | Liberal-Progressive Union | To | Debating the Firefighters Are Not The Central Government's to Control Act. |
| Message | I agree that the potential for funding problems exist, but funding can never be perfect or honest at any level of government. The local funding does simplify things so there may be less waste, and the local officials are responsible for the same fire departments and towns where they might live themselves. So they must answer for their own actions while the central government has no connection to anyone or anything in the towns that they are funding. That's a greater problem than any that the local government may have with control of the department. |
| Date | 21:20:11, January 16, 2006 CET | From | United Blobs | To | Debating the Firefighters Are Not The Central Government's to Control Act. |
| Message | How about the national government gives money to the local governments, which then distribute it to individual stations? |
| Date | 21:29:57, January 16, 2006 CET | From | We Say So! Party | To | Debating the Firefighters Are Not The Central Government's to Control Act. |
| Message | We could agree to that, but with that point there would be no requirement to change the proposal as the National Government would still be funding the system. |
| Date | 13:37:29, January 17, 2006 CET | From | Hobrazian Peoples Party | To | Debating the Firefighters Are Not The Central Government's to Control Act. |
| Message | no support. |
| Date | 19:39:26, January 17, 2006 CET | From | Deltarian Nationalist Party | To | Debating the Firefighters Are Not The Central Government's to Control Act. |
| Message | Could this not lead to even more administration? |
| Date | 00:34:29, January 18, 2006 CET | From | National Imperial Hobrazian Front | To | Debating the Firefighters Are Not The Central Government's to Control Act. |
| Message | No support. A national department can coordinate for disasters such as forest fires, oil fires, etc. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes | Total Seats: 143 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 216 | |||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 41 |
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