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Bill: Ratification of the The Axis Agreement
Details
Submitted by[?]: Likaton Fascist Front
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill proposes for the ratification of a treaty. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor[?]. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: August 2176
Description[?]:
| This bill asks for the ratification of the The Axis Agreement. If this treaty is ratified, it becomes binding and will define national law. |
Proposals
Article 1
Ratify the The Axis Agreement.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 08:18:40, January 17, 2006 CET | From | Likaton Fascist Front | To | Debating the Ratification of the The Axis Agreement |
| Message | We are in compliance of this Treaty. TOTAL suggest that rather than being left out in the cold with no other nations as allies, we should consider joining this proven organisation that stands by it's members. |
| Date | 13:40:00, January 17, 2006 CET | From | Conservative Liberal Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the The Axis Agreement |
| Message | This is the new one http://80.237.164.51/particracy/main/viewtreaty.php?treatyid=185 , I am not sure which one we are supposed to be trying to get into. However, we tentatively support, we still feel we should have a greater influence in foreign affairs, and would like to see membership of a strong alliance as a protection which would allow us to play a small but significant part. |
| Date | 06:55:06, January 18, 2006 CET | From | Likaton Fascist Front | To | Debating the Ratification of the The Axis Agreement |
| Message | It is confusing, I'm not sure which one is the 'current' version |
| Date | 18:44:28, January 19, 2006 CET | From | Bátory Dynastia | To | Debating the Ratification of the The Axis Agreement |
| Message | The Axis Agreement is the loose alliance without obligation, the AXIS league is the binding alliance open only to Axis Agreement signatories. |
| Date | 18:44:43, January 19, 2006 CET | From | Bátory Dynastia | To | Debating the Ratification of the The Axis Agreement |
| Message | The Axis Agreement is the loose alliance without obligation, the AXIS league is the binding alliance open only to Axis Agreement signatories. |
| Date | 05:02:02, January 20, 2006 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Ratification of the The Axis Agreement |
| Message | How odd. The previous AAS response to this matter seems to have 'disappeared' from the records. Is there a reason why we SHOULD agree to this 'treaty'? Do we stand to gain? Do we not end up putting ourselves on a lot of peoples 'to watch' list, and, thus, risk harming our overseas image? The AAS waits to be 'sold' on this legislation, before we sign on to anything. |
| Date | 14:58:34, January 21, 2006 CET | From | Bátory Dynastia | To | Debating the Ratification of the The Axis Agreement |
| Message | If you sign the treaty you shall be on the recieving end of mild animosity from certain nations, yes ; but you will also gain undying support and approval from some of the strongest nations in Terra. |
| Date | 18:44:24, January 21, 2006 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Ratification of the The Axis Agreement |
| Message | Do any of our domestic participants have any special desire to "gain the support and approval" of these nations? Do any of our domestic participants have any special passions to oppose? |
| Date | 20:15:58, January 21, 2006 CET | From | Likaton Fascist Front | To | Debating the Ratification of the The Axis Agreement |
| Message | From a strategic point of view, let us not forget we do not have a single defence treaty. If my research is correct, no nation has been invaded simply for joining the Axis, although there are some protests - but who cares ? This is a way for us to 'fast track' a miltary secure place in the world order. |
| Date | 20:34:52, January 21, 2006 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Ratification of the The Axis Agreement |
| Message | We still remain to be 'sold on the idea'. We are not convinced that it is worth the stigma earned. After all, NONE of our immediate neighbours are members, and the non-members VASTLY outnumber the member states. It seems to us, being the weakest member of a perceived 'Axis of Evil' could be very bad, strategically. |
| Date | 17:01:37, January 23, 2006 CET | From | AM Radical Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the The Axis Agreement |
| Message | We see no actual benefit to this treaty. Trade will not be increased, security will not be enhanced, so why should we bother. |
| Date | 23:56:40, January 23, 2006 CET | From | Likaton Fascist Front | To | Debating the Ratification of the The Axis Agreement |
| Message | In a nutshell, If we are about to embark on any military adventures outside the borders of Likatonia (which is not the TOTAL aganda by the way), it would be prudent for us to have some nations to stand by us in the case of any retaliatory attacks. I take the opportunity again to remind the convocation that our years of isolationism have left us with out a single defence or even military co-operation treaty. At the moment, if we are attacked, we are strictly on our own. |
| Date | 00:08:44, January 25, 2006 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Ratification of the The Axis Agreement |
| Message | But, are we not MORE likely to be attacked IF we link ourselves to an organisation like this? |
| Date | 07:46:32, January 25, 2006 CET | From | Progressive Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the The Axis Agreement |
| Message | We side with the AMA on this issue. Not only would we be associated with rogue nations like Deltaria, but according to Article II of this document, the other signatories would only have to offer token aid if we were attacked by an enemy. Article V would be too binding on any potential bilateral defense treaties we sign. In all, there is no good reason to support this. |
| Date | 12:44:56, January 25, 2006 CET | From | Likaton Fascist Front | To | Debating the Ratification of the The Axis Agreement |
| Message | Very well, unless there is more indication of support, we will withdraw this proposal. |
| Date | 02:37:39, January 26, 2006 CET | From | Likaton Fascist Front | To | Debating the Ratification of the The Axis Agreement |
| Message | Upon relflection, we will open this bill to convocation consideration. (Try saying that three times quickly). |
| Date | 14:49:44, January 26, 2006 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Ratification of the The Axis Agreement |
| Message | AMA currently plans to support. We have generally tried to stay out of multi-lateral Treaties, because they usually end up with loss of sovereignty. Yes - we CAN see the advantage of joining with a militaristic and strong collaboration, even at cost of some independence. However, we can also see that becoming associated implicitly with some of the powers considered 'dangerous' or 'rogue' nations, could be bad for our nation... So - we are offering to support - for now... but with the understanding that we may be swayed to oppose or withdraw at a later date. |
| Date | 20:35:45, January 26, 2006 CET | From | Likaton Fascist Front | To | Debating the Ratification of the The Axis Agreement |
| Message | We thank te AMA for their support, but fear that this bill will not get the necessary support to become law. |
| Date | 20:58:16, January 26, 2006 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Ratification of the The Axis Agreement |
| Message | We were also afraid this would be the case... still, perhaps the Progressive Party can be convinced to switch sides? (Since this in just the preliminary (the 'Axis Agreement'), not the formal alliance 'Axis League' proper....) What do the Progressive think about such suggestion? |
| Date | 05:46:01, January 27, 2006 CET | From | Likaton Fascist Front | To | Debating the Ratification of the The Axis Agreement |
| Message | Assuming TOTAL is in a position to do so, we will reintroduce this proposal to the new convocation after the elections. |
| Date | 06:31:16, January 27, 2006 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Ratification of the The Axis Agreement |
| Message | ToTAL should have a window of opportunity... even if a new Cabinet is called for, it usually takes a while to get 'voted in'. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 279 | ||||||
| no | Total Seats: 183 | ||||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 38 |
| Random fact: Don't vote yes on a cabinet coalition that doesn't give you the power that you deserve. |
| Random quote: "It is a man's own mind, not his enemy or foe, that lures him to evil ways." - Buddha |