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Bill: we need nukes!
Details
Submitted by[?]: United Stalinist Front
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: May 2056
Description[?]:
it is essential for the safety of aloria that we build nukes. they act as a deterant so we will be less likely to be invaded and we will have more negotiation power in foreign relations. if we dont have them, we will be walked all over by foreign enemies. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The policy with respect to nuclear weaponry.
Old value:: The nation shall never develop, produce or store nuclear weaponry.
Current: The nation reserves the right to develop, produce and store nuclear arms.
Proposed: The nation reserves the right to develop, produce and store nuclear arms.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
Date | 11:22:19, May 22, 2005 CET | From | Fair Capitalism Party | To | Debating the we need nukes! |
Message | We are completely for the stockpiling of a small number of high-power warheads. You may be able to ban it in some countries, but you cannot uninvent it. The rougue states, and other evil factions will not 'forget' how to build them when we have banned them. And, when we are threatened, what to we have to deter them? The threat of nuclear war? MAD? No, we just have to ask them nicely to stop, and if we were to launch an conventional attack, the chances are by the chance the silos were destroyed, Aloria would have suffered the same fate. I beg of you, do not let this happen! Aloria should be a nuclear power! We must not allow ourselves to be weak to the forces which may, one day, threaten nuclear war. And you know they exist, they are not just an invention, and one day they may become a nuclear power, and this very situation could transpire. ((OOC: It's also be nice to have it to work on when Warfare comes in.)) |
Date | 13:33:42, May 22, 2005 CET | From | Aloria Green Socialist Party | To | Debating the we need nukes! |
Message | If they use nukes on us, it's the end whether we have them or not. The deterrant argument is flawed. Who else has them? How about a policy of not making enemies, or not adding to the arms race...? |
Date | 17:37:30, May 22, 2005 CET | From | Fair Capitalism Party | To | Debating the we need nukes! |
Message | No, the point is, if they know we have nuclear weapons, they know we could launch a strike on them, shoudl they lauch one on us. Thus a stalemate is created. Read a website on "Mutually Assured Destruction" or MAD, this is what the stalemate is called. It also means nations may be more reluctant to declare war, knowing we do have nuclear weapons. I am not in any way suggesting we would use them, but it would make attackers think twice - do they really want to attacl a nuclear superpower? They may not use the nukes, but what else do they have? Of course, utmost security would be given to the silos and storage facilities, to ensure no nuclear material or secrets were stolen. |
Date | 19:24:12, May 22, 2005 CET | From | capital-communism party | To | Debating the we need nukes! |
Message | nuclear weapons are completely out of the question, one bomb and the whole world is doomed to nuclear winter. In other words, no oxygen, no food supplys, no clean water, nothing! |
Date | 22:23:17, May 22, 2005 CET | From | United Stalinist Front | To | Debating the we need nukes! |
Message | wooo! you tell em fcp!!! |
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Voting
Vote | Seats | |||
yes | Total Seats: 79 | |||
no | Total Seats: 127 | |||
abstain |
Total Seats: 31 |
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