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Bill: Governments are NOT charities
Details
Submitted by[?]: Secular Capitalist Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: March 2174
Description[?]:
All homes should be privately owned. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government policy regarding housing.
Old value:: The state provides public housing to low-income families.
Current: The state contracts with private companies to provide public housing.
Proposed: All housing is privately-owned.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
Date | 07:08:08, January 20, 2006 CET | From | LiberalDemocraticFreedomTaxAndSpendParty | To | Debating the Governments are NOT charities |
Message | Why do you hate poor people? |
Date | 07:12:41, January 20, 2006 CET | From | Secular Capitalist Party | To | Debating the Governments are NOT charities |
Message | I don't hate them, but it is not moral to have a government steal from one person to hand to another. If a private citizen attempted this they would be rightfully jailed. "Need" is not a warrant on the wealth of others. |
Date | 07:14:44, January 20, 2006 CET | From | LiberalDemocraticFreedomTaxAndSpendParty | To | Debating the Governments are NOT charities |
Message | The government doesn't steal from people. |
Date | 07:18:30, January 20, 2006 CET | From | Secular Capitalist Party | To | Debating the Governments are NOT charities |
Message | Really, what do you call taxes? It's money taken at the point of a gun, it's legalized theft. Anyway, Capitalism helps everyone rich and poor. Nobody's "left behind". |
Date | 07:28:16, January 20, 2006 CET | From | LiberalDemocraticFreedomTaxAndSpendParty | To | Debating the Governments are NOT charities |
Message | So then how are governments to be run? "Anyway, Capitalism helps everyone rich... " Agree with you there. "... and poor." Not without the government's help. |
Date | 09:33:27, January 20, 2006 CET | From | Secular Capitalist Party | To | Debating the Governments are NOT charities |
Message | Governments are supposed to be extremely limited in what they can do-- courts, police, military. And these valid functions should be financed via voluntary donation and user fees. |
Date | 11:46:13, January 20, 2006 CET | From | People's Populist Party - Zogist Mafia | To | Debating the Governments are NOT charities |
Message | According to who, Ayn Rand? I get my orders from God, not some nasty old dead whore. |
Date | 21:10:43, January 20, 2006 CET | From | LiberalDemocraticFreedomTaxAndSpendParty | To | Debating the Governments are NOT charities |
Message | True. |
Date | 02:44:46, January 21, 2006 CET | From | Moderate Beluzians | To | Debating the Governments are NOT charities |
Message | Taxes ARE user fees. |
Date | 04:00:22, January 21, 2006 CET | From | Secular Capitalist Party | To | Debating the Governments are NOT charities |
Message | So what if I choose not to pay them? One can choose not to pay a fee and not receive a service. Government steals tax money at gunpoint whether you approve of the service or not? |
Date | 04:03:07, January 21, 2006 CET | From | Secular Capitalist Party | To | Debating the Governments are NOT charities |
Message | "According to who"? Not according to who, but according to what. Such as morality, logic, and reality. Not some imaginary mystical voice. |
Date | 06:43:27, January 21, 2006 CET | From | Conservative Party | To | Debating the Governments are NOT charities |
Message | Yay for the Private sector :D |
Date | 23:44:19, January 21, 2006 CET | From | Moderate Beluzians | To | Debating the Governments are NOT charities |
Message | As I said before, if someone chooses not to use the roads, schools, libraries and other social services provided, they are more than free to keep their money and not pay the taxes. Good luck trying to function that way. |
Date | 03:00:21, January 22, 2006 CET | From | People's Populist Party - Zogist Mafia | To | Debating the Governments are NOT charities |
Message | There is only one universal morality: "natural law" randian pseudo-selfishness simply can't compete |
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Voting
Vote | Seats | |||||
yes | Total Seats: 43 | |||||
no |
Total Seats: 57 | |||||
abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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