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Bill: Fortress Telamon Acts
Details
Submitted by[?]: Oberoende Alternativ (OA)
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: February 3982
Description[?]:
| A series of proposals to strengthen the military. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The nation's defence industry.
Old value:: The state owns all defence industries.
Current: The state owns national defence industries but these exist alongside privately owned defence industries.
Proposed: Defence industries are privately owned and not subsidised.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy towards the use of land mines by the army.
Old value:: The use of land mines is prohibited.
Current: The use of land mines is allowed but restricted.
Proposed: The Government leaves this to the army to decide upon.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 19:13:39, February 10, 2016 CET | From | Liberaldemokraterna (L) | To | Debating the Fortress Telamon Acts |
| Message | "Mr.Speaker Before Liberaldemokraterna votes on this Act we would very much like to know what the argument for a privatized defence industry is?" Hugo Vestin L Chairman |
| Date | 19:17:47, February 10, 2016 CET | From | Oberoende Alternativ (OA) | To | Debating the Fortress Telamon Acts |
| Message | "Mr. Speaker, Defense industries, as they are known, when they are state owned, are not accountable for their actions. The fallacy lies in this: we believe because we have a state owned industry, we believe it is independent. It is not. State lobbyists are just as active as corporate lobbyists. If a state owned industry creates faulty weaponry, we have to centrally plan to change it -- we have to increase funding. If we had a private industry, we could simply change companies." - Gustaf Westerwel Parliamentary Leader of OA |
| Date | 19:25:42, February 10, 2016 CET | From | Liberaldemokraterna (L) | To | Debating the Fortress Telamon Acts |
| Message | "Mr.Speaker Is it really safe to put the whole weapon industry in the hand of private corporation that holds no accountability towards the general public? The state, even though it's inefficient at times, is a democraticaly elected body whos every action can be influenced by the public. I hold no blind trust towards either the state or the private sector. But some things are just too important to be left to the market alone" Hugo Vestin L Chairman |
| Date | 19:27:17, February 10, 2016 CET | From | Oberoende Alternativ (OA) | To | Debating the Fortress Telamon Acts |
| Message | "Mr Speaker, Private corporations are accountable to the people. If nobody buys from them, they go bankrupt. Government-supported industries exist because of force -- we send out men with guns to collect taxes, and then we send those taxes to state industries. Capitalism is democracy with money." - Gustaf Westerwel Parliamentary Leader of OA |
| Date | 19:33:45, February 10, 2016 CET | From | Liberaldemokraterna (L) | To | Debating the Fortress Telamon Acts |
| Message | "Mr.Speaker Under the current law these private corporation could potentially sell weapon to anyone, and we wouldn't know about it. Since the law says that weapons may be exported freely I say it is too dangerous to leave it up to private intresst. But if that law was to be changed and we could control the export of weapon we would be in favor of giving the market a chance. This is not an ideological issue for us, it's all about common sense." Hugo Vestin L Chairman |
| Date | 21:16:53, February 10, 2016 CET | From | Liberaldemokraterna (L) | To | Debating the Fortress Telamon Acts |
| Message | "Mr.Speaker Liberaldemokraterna will support this act as part of a compromise with the OA." Hugo Vestin L Chairman |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 553 | ||||
| no | Total Seats: 197 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
| Random fact: Particracy does not allow real-life fictional references (eg. Gandalf, Harry Potter, Luke Skywalker). |
| Random quote: "Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius, and a lot of courage, to move in the opposite direction." - Albert Einstein |