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Bill: Expansion to the Chamber of the Republic (2173)
Details
Submitted by[?]: Deltarian Nationalist Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: December 2175
Description[?]:
| To expand the Chamber of the Republic to the closest number that can be divided by three. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The total number of seats in the legislative assembly. Should be between 75 and 750.
Old value:: 400
Current: 76
Proposed: 402
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 13:09:00, January 20, 2006 CET | From | Deltarian Nationalist Party | To | Debating the Expansion to the Chamber of the Republic (2173) |
| Message | Sounds a bit abstract I know but there is reasoning behind it. When we vote on a diplomatic treaty the number of votes needed to pass it is two thirds right? Well in a chamber of four hundred does that mean we need 266 or more or 267 or more? If we change the number slightly then there will be no fractions or confusions in the voting of these bills. Possibly 405 would be even better as it would also be impossible for two party coalitions being level on votes. |
| Date | 15:04:31, January 20, 2006 CET | From | United Blobs | To | Debating the Expansion to the Chamber of the Republic (2173) |
| Message | "Well in a chamber of four hundred does that mean we need 266 or more or 267 or more?" - >=267 We would actually rather see a downsizing rather than any increase. |
| Date | 22:07:32, January 20, 2006 CET | From | National Imperial Hobrazian Front | To | Debating the Expansion to the Chamber of the Republic (2173) |
| Message | We agree with UB. Downsizing would be preferable to an increase in seats. |
| Date | 00:21:09, January 21, 2006 CET | From | We Say So! Party | To | Debating the Expansion to the Chamber of the Republic (2173) |
| Message | We would rather it stays the same as current. |
| Date | 17:34:20, January 22, 2006 CET | From | Deltarian Nationalist Party | To | Debating the Expansion to the Chamber of the Republic (2173) |
| Message | It's only an increase of two and why downsize the chamber? |
| Date | 21:07:27, January 22, 2006 CET | From | National Imperial Hobrazian Front | To | Debating the Expansion to the Chamber of the Republic (2173) |
| Message | Because it would cost less. |
| Date | 12:24:51, January 23, 2006 CET | From | Hobrazian Peoples Party | To | Debating the Expansion to the Chamber of the Republic (2173) |
| Message | but be more undemocratic |
| Date | 12:27:39, January 23, 2006 CET | From | Deltarian Nationalist Party | To | Debating the Expansion to the Chamber of the Republic (2173) |
| Message | But would it not work out more democratic to have more constituencies which would make it easier for the people to get their views across to their representative. |
| Date | 13:58:39, January 23, 2006 CET | From | United Blobs | To | Debating the Expansion to the Chamber of the Republic (2173) |
| Message | "But would it not work out more democratic to have more constituencies." - Any change to the seat numbers will not have any effect on the number of constituencies (5 at present) "which would make it easier for the people to get their views across to their representative" - PR means there is no single representative for an area; many candidates are elected for a whole constituency which is much larger than you seem to be thinking about. In a particracy (like ours) it is the party's views that matter not the indivduals elected. |
| Date | 16:55:57, January 23, 2006 CET | From | Deltarian Nationalist Party | To | Debating the Expansion to the Chamber of the Republic (2173) |
| Message | No but the nation must be divided into smaller 'constituencies' (i know that's the wrong term but in brit. poliitics that's what i'm used to) as for a nation to be democratic the country must be divided up into small sections (comprising of a similar population) where a single representative is elected/appointed. Now surely if this game is to simulate democratic government then there are smaller constituencies within those larger regions. |
| Date | 18:01:16, January 23, 2006 CET | From | United Blobs | To | Debating the Expansion to the Chamber of the Republic (2173) |
| Message | Not in a PR system. Have a look at the first paragraph of this web page - http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/polit/damy/BeginnningReading/howprwor.htm |
| Date | 19:49:04, January 23, 2006 CET | From | Deltarian Nationalist Party | To | Debating the Expansion to the Chamber of the Republic (2173) |
| Message | I know how proportional representation works, it's how the scottish parliament works but the area still has a local msp even though it is through pr. |
| Date | 20:02:25, January 24, 2006 CET | From | Hobrazian Peoples Party | To | Debating the Expansion to the Chamber of the Republic (2173) |
| Message | I would suggest 99 then, but thayt seems not democratic to me. |
| Date | 20:35:36, January 24, 2006 CET | From | United Blobs | To | Debating the Expansion to the Chamber of the Republic (2173) |
| Message | At that end of the scale 102 is better as it also allows a clear split on normal issues (50% == 51 seats) |
| Date | 20:36:09, January 24, 2006 CET | From | United Blobs | To | Debating the Expansion to the Chamber of the Republic (2173) |
| Message | At that end of the scale 102 is better as it also allows a clear split on normal issues (50% == 51 seats) |
| Date | 22:47:50, January 24, 2006 CET | From | Hobrazian Peoples Party | To | Debating the Expansion to the Chamber of the Republic (2173) |
| Message | Why should there be an opportunity of clear split. Either a law is implemented or it falls. there should be no such thing as an advance to those not willing to accept lawchanges, no matter what issue it is. |
| Date | 23:24:18, January 24, 2006 CET | From | United Blobs | To | Debating the Expansion to the Chamber of the Republic (2173) |
| Message | That argument can be used against having the seats as a multiple of 3; with 99 seats what about the 66-33 case on constitutional matters? |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes | Total Seats: 40 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 234 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 126 |
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