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Bill: Singing of National Anthem in Educational Institutions Act 3989
Details
Submitted by[?]: Liberal Socialist Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: April 3990
Description[?]:
| We believe that children should never be forced to sing or show respect to the national anthem at schools, doing this forces a political agenda down young peoples throats, which is wrong. This is hindering freedom of expression and everyone should be allowed to express their views and opinions, including the young of our nation. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Singing the national anthem in schools.
Old value:: Children are not made to sing the national anthem, but are required to show respect when it is played at the commencement of school each day.
Current: Children are never made to sing the national anthem.
Proposed: Children are never made to sing the national anthem.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 00:13:05, February 27, 2016 CET | From | Partito Monarchico | To | Debating the Singing of National Anthem in Educational Institutions Act 3989 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker; The LSP is beginning to sound like a parody. What political agenda is being forced down a child's throat, according to the current law? They are not required to sing the national anthem, but show respect. I suppose my asking my children to show respect to their mother is shoving a "political agenda" down a child's throat. In any case, there is no "political agenda" being shoved down anyone's throat by asking children to love and honor their homeland. I suppose we should respect as much, as the LSP loves her leftist ideology more than Gaduridos. *cries of "Hear, hear" from the Partito Monarchico section* Prisco Bellucci Partito Monarchico |
| Date | 00:19:24, February 27, 2016 CET | From | Liberal Socialist Party | To | Debating the Singing of National Anthem in Educational Institutions Act 3989 |
| Message | Mr Speaker For whatever reasons, some children may not harbour positives view of the nation, and ramming over the top patriotism down their throats if anything will turn them against our homeland. As we have outlined, freedom of expression are vastly important, more so than outlandish patriotism. The political agenda we speak of is right-wing nationalism, forcing over the top and distasteful patriotism on children which being children, the majority likely don't even care anyway about patriotism. Jeremy Perez Leader of the LSP |
| Date | 00:24:12, February 27, 2016 CET | From | Partito Monarchico | To | Debating the Singing of National Anthem in Educational Institutions Act 3989 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker; "Some children" may not harbor positive views about fairies, but I highly doubt Mr. Perez and those in the LSP are going to enact anti-fairy legislation. In fact, while on the subject of mythical creatures, I would like to point out that the only one afraid of anything imaginary here is the LSP, who are worried about "right-wing nationalism," "over the top and distasteful patriotism," and the like. He thinks he will eliminate this by removing the national anthem from our children? No, my friends. They will only breed it more. It is the nature of every individual to love his homeland, and where he is from. To deprive him from that is to deprive food - and a man fights all the more harder when he is hungrier. Prisco Bellucci Partito Monarchico |
| Date | 00:34:35, February 27, 2016 CET | From | Liberal Socialist Party | To | Debating the Singing of National Anthem in Educational Institutions Act 3989 |
| Message | Mr Speaker We're not forcing children to show respect to fairies everyday at the commencement of school. *roaring laughter and applause from LSP Senators* School is a place of education, not of nationalism. Some children are bound to be more patriotic than others, however it is absolutely excessive to play the national anthem at school daily in schools. Children are bound to be more concerned about other matters, ramming nationalism down their throats is only a futile move and completely and utterly pointless. It is a total waste of time. *Applause from LSP Senators* Jeremy Perez Leader of the LSP |
| Date | 00:51:25, February 27, 2016 CET | From | Partito Monarchico | To | Debating the Singing of National Anthem in Educational Institutions Act 3989 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker; What I hope the good people in the Senate will realize is that Mr. Perez is unable to handle the real issues which he is faced with. I can only imagine his party members are made up of scarecrows, because he seems unable to present anything before us but strawmen. *Monarchist Party members clap* You will notice, Mr. Speaker, that he shrugged off the fairy analogy as if we are asking all children show respect to fairies. What we were in fact mocking, and which Mr. Perez could not defend, was that policy should be defined by the views of children. Of children! *turns and motions to fellow party members, who cry "Hear, hear!"* Of children! And while, Mr. Speaker, I am fine with children being respected, I do not base my political policies on what "positive views" a child might have. Perhaps the LSP bases their views around child-like thinking, but we do not. *more applause from behind him* I have known children who at age 3, did not want to read. In fact, they hated reading. They didn't hold "positive views" towards reading. By age 4, they were vociferous readers. My point is, Mr. Perez desires us to appeal to the feelings of children. Perhaps there is a child out there who does not like singing the national anthem - I cannot name one, but I'll be fair and say they might exist. Very well. Why does the arbitrary feeling of a child - a CHILD - determine government politics? Should it not be our morality? Should it not be our sense of identity? *party members beat their fists on the bench seats* I also put forward that Mr. Perez can do little but continue to beat his drum of "nationalism", evil patriotism, and the like. I mentioned that before. Where is this dreaded nationalism? Where is it in the singing of a national anthem? When we sing it before sports games or important political events, are we in fact practicing nationalism? No, Mr. Speaker. Instilling in a child a sense of pride in who they are is not ramming anything down their throats but who they are by nature. We are telling a child that they are a Gaduridan, and they should be proud of it. If they grow older and find they are dissatisfied with the political process, they may do something about it. If they grow much more mature and find they are upset at how the political situation is going, they can be allowed to do something about it. But that will come from a love of who they are, and where they are. And that is not enforced, but DEFENDED, by the singing of the national anthem. *roaring applause from the Monarchist Party members* Prisco Bellucci Partito Monarchico OOC: This is fun B-) |
| Date | 01:13:25, February 27, 2016 CET | From | Liberal Socialist Party | To | Debating the Singing of National Anthem in Educational Institutions Act 3989 |
| Message | Mr Speaker Whilst children overall rarely have coherent views, at least we're actually putting thought into their opinions whilst your party outright rejects it. Your rhetoric of "filling children's lil' hearts full 'o pride 'n respect" for our nation is completely irrelevant to daily life. Most normal people don't think about "aww I'm Gaduridan" on a daily basis, like your party seems to obsess over it. This "sense of identity" you speak of, it shouldn't be instilled at a governmental level into schools. A national identity is built up of people's choice to be a part of it, we should let people express whether they want to be a part of it or not. There are plenty of people, FULLY GROWN people may I add that do not wish to be a part of that identity. A national identity is no the be-all and end-all, the truth of the matter is we should waste people's time with it, in fact instilling it into people's every day life will make it much less special. Jeremy Perez Leader of the LSP |
| Date | 02:04:47, February 27, 2016 CET | From | Partito Monarchico | To | Debating the Singing of National Anthem in Educational Institutions Act 3989 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker; If any "FULLY GROWN" people, as Mr. Perez desires to emphasize, do not wish to be part of the Gaduridan identity, we will gladly finance their immediate emigration to a nation they wish to find identity with. *party members chant, "Here, here"* More importantly, I hope that the common Gaduridan people hear Mr. Perez's words, and how the LSP truly desires to identify nationhood. They tell us that national identity is "built up of people's choice to be a part of it." Identity is merely choice, and nothing more? So nationhood is nothing more than vague conglomerate thoughts? Perish the idea. But if Mr. Perez desires to use that to put forward his definition of nationhood, we will permit him to do so. Prisco Bellucci Partito Monarchico |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||
| yes |
Total Seats: 304 | ||
| no |
Total Seats: 175 | ||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 271 |
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