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Bill: Paramilitary Reform Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: Hosian Socialist Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: November 3994
Description[?]:
| Bill to legalize paramilitaries. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government's position on paramilitaries.
Old value:: Paramilitaries are illegal and the recognized government may intervene freely to stop any possible activity.
Current: Paramilitaries are illegal and the recognized government may intervene freely to stop any possible activity.
Proposed: Paramilitaries are allowed as part of each political party.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 02:12:05, March 07, 2016 CET | From | Imperial Conservative Union (IA) | To | Debating the Paramilitary Reform Act |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, Just as the recent riots showed, this would be a disaster. I yield. |
| Date | 06:48:35, March 07, 2016 CET | From | Freeborn Luthorians/Freeborn Coalition | To | Debating the Paramilitary Reform Act |
| Message | "Mr.Speaker" "Let me explain to you why this would be a good idea, as you all know a civilian Militia has come to be under the Red Banner, of course not being overly dangerous, if we can legally have direct power over this New Red Army then things would settle down way easier. " Vladimir Armstrong Leader of the LPU |
| Date | 07:31:56, March 07, 2016 CET | From |  Centrist Alliance | To | Debating the Paramilitary Reform Act |
| Message | Mr Speaker, After the Moderates so quickly brought so many troops out against many of our activists before looking for a peaceful solution we will support this. The Moderates should not be in control of the military. David Smith PUM internal |
| Date | 18:53:19, March 07, 2016 CET | From | Conservative Right | To | Debating the Paramilitary Reform Act |
| Message | Mr Speaker, I am really trying my best not to laugh right now but it is hard. We had riots and communists moving to start chaos. The only thing that jept them in line is Mrs Millingtons decision to move the military in to prevent such a disaster. Mr Smith should stop blaming us for everything. We are proud of Millington who acted quickly against what could be a rebellion. Henry Lawson |
| Date | 19:01:06, March 07, 2016 CET | From | Imperial Conservative Union (IA) | To | Debating the Paramilitary Reform Act |
| Message | OOC: Reminder it was a rumor the military would be brought in. No military forces were deployed. The Police handled the riots. |
| Date | 19:49:45, March 07, 2016 CET | From | Centrist Alliance | To | Debating the Paramilitary Reform Act |
| Message | OOC: don't change things. The Moderates deployed 18,000 troops. |
| Date | 19:56:43, March 07, 2016 CET | From | Hosian Socialist Party | To | Debating the Paramilitary Reform Act |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, Quite frankly, I am appalled by this House's refusal to allow this, especially considering the riots and the poor government response to it. The Liberal Alliance maintains a 'honor guard' which is essentially a de facto paramilitary organization, and after this was voted down nearly 10 years ago, the HSP re-mobilized it's own 'honor guard' without a beep from the government. This puts other parties at a huge disadvantage, let us have our paramilitaries once more! I yield Niall Kendrickson HSP Chief Whip |
| Date | 20:30:10, March 07, 2016 CET | From | Centrist Alliance | To | Debating the Paramilitary Reform Act |
| Message | Mr Speaker, The PUM doesn't want to become a lawless movement but if this is not passed we will be creating a powerful 'honor guard'. We agree with the Hosians! The government response was terrible and they still haven't investigated or delt with the cause of these riots. If the Liberal Alliance is allowed a 'honor guard' so are the we considering were likely to become the largest party in opposition who is willing to represent their voters! Jeremy Evans PUM Defence |
| Date | 20:32:19, March 07, 2016 CET | From | Hosian Socialist Party | To | Debating the Paramilitary Reform Act |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, Let's call this what it is: An attempt to prevent other parties from becoming too powerful! This is shameful! I yield Niall Kendrickson HSP Chief Whip |
| Date | 22:04:15, March 07, 2016 CET | From | Imperial Conservative Union (IA) | To | Debating the Paramilitary Reform Act |
| Message | OOC: PUM I am not changing anything. Just because the Moderates were the Defense Minister does not mean they could deploy troops. We are retconning it to explain how this whole mess could have happen. We claimed it as rumors. That is the official story. No troops were deployed because Moderates can't issue those orders and no one has paramilitary forces (hell no one even has guns except for professionals a.k.a. police and military). Military has police powers, but police still exist. Military can only be deployed (as currently written) by Viceroy, Chancellor, and Def Mins permission for internal matters, and plus the legislature for external. Would love to change it, but that would require a 2/3rds vote, of which we are two votes shy from. IC: Mr. Speaker, The Luthori Guard of Honour is a party of the Imperial Army, one of the units charged with guarding the Imperial Family (OOC: extended part of the family, Household Guard covers the Emperor). While they trace their history back to the times when Luthori allowed paramilitary forces, they are no longer directly connected to the LA. I find it absolutely absurd that the answer we give to riots in the streets is to field private "armies" by some of the very actors that caused the riots. I thank the brave men and women who are professionally responsible for keeping the peace for bravely putting the riots down and restoring peace to our empire. This empire is on the verge of finally returning to the world stage and we would throw ourselves into civil unrest from such nonsense. I thank the Imperial Chancellor, the SDL, and even the PLM for having the rational to see what a disaster this would be for us. Luthorians should direct their frustration externally to the service of our empire and the glory of our emperor, not internally over petty and silly politics that are encouraged by paramilitary forces. I yield. Prince Maximilian Durant, 78th Grand Duke of Tinako Imperial Vice-Chancellor and Foreign Minister |
| Date | 22:16:20, March 07, 2016 CET | From | Hosian Socialist Party | To | Debating the Paramilitary Reform Act |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, Such rosy words from the Viceroy! His party chairman was not killed when the communists were causing chaos over 20 years ago! The HSP still maintains its 'honor guard' and will assist all parties who wish to start their own through financing and training. It has been nearly ten years since we financed our own 'honor guard' through the International Terran Bank, and we will continue to maintain it. I Yield Niall Kendrickson HSP Chief Whip |
| Date | 22:36:09, March 07, 2016 CET | From | Imperial Conservative Union (IA) | To | Debating the Paramilitary Reform Act |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, The law is the law, and we will ensure that any groups the even begin to resemble paramilitary forces are disbanded and broken up. No matter if they are supporters of the monarchy, allies, or dissidents. Luthori is an empire of institutions and traditions. We will not have it ruled by the rabble politics of the mob. I yield. |
| Date | 22:55:23, March 07, 2016 CET | From | Conservative Right | To | Debating the Paramilitary Reform Act |
| Message | OOC: Well i did have permission from the head of state and that is about all i could do to get the permission. What else could i do? |
| Date | 23:13:08, March 07, 2016 CET | From | Imperial Conservative Union (IA) | To | Debating the Paramilitary Reform Act |
| Message | OOC: In theory wait until you could get the LA's permission as HoG. I know it sucks but that is why you have to sometimes RP events in the past. The current RP War going on across Terra is technically over (or about to end), but they are posting events that have "already happened." The reforms to the IDM would streamline the process, though it also takes the power out of the DM position and places it in an RP one. Still, streamlines the process. Until then we have to operate off of the basic game rules. The explanation we gave provides an answer for this case. In the future you now know. Still made it a hard crackdown by the police, just not military. |
| Date | 09:03:55, March 08, 2016 CET | From | Conservative Right | To | Debating the Paramilitary Reform Act |
| Message | OOC: Alright so I need to get the head of state and head of governments permission? |
| Date | 15:39:30, March 08, 2016 CET | From | Imperial Conservative Union (IA) | To | Debating the Paramilitary Reform Act |
| Message | OOC: As of right now, yes. If the "Constitution" then it will be different. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 208 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 292 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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