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Bill: Recognising Major/Minor Religions Proposal
Details
Submitted by[?]: Pro Lodamunese Unitarian Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: May 4002
Description[?]:
| Under the current law, Nationalism Is the only recongised religion. Any non recognized religion can't do much, so we would like to propose more religions to recognised status so there are no issues. Here is the only proposed religion to be recognized Lethoism Lethoism is actually relatively new on the scene of religions, and PLUP was actually around during its formation. It was founded by a party by the name of Golden Lodamese Dawn http://classic.particracy.net/viewparty.php?partyid=24525 The LSDP has had a leader that was a member of this religion This is the bill that brought Lethoism to lodamun http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=451167 |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 01:33:15, March 13, 2016 CET | From | Libertarian Solidarity | To | Debating the Recognising Major/Minor Religions Proposal |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, Libertarian Solidarity will support this bill, in case the religious freedom bill we have introduced doesn't get enacted. Cecil W. Monroe, Chair of Libertarian Solidarity |
| Date | 02:18:57, March 13, 2016 CET | From |  Great National Republican Guard | To | Debating the Recognising Major/Minor Religions Proposal |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, The Libertarian Solidarity movement needs to pick a side. Supporting this, just because their other bill will not get passed, is opportunist. Also, their Religious Freedom bill makes reference to recognised religions, so they're upholding some of the privilege that Lodamese Nationalism has. They imply that they would not support this bill if their Religious Freedom bill would pass. That is a ridiculous stance. Even if their Religious Freedom passes, they should support the recognition of more religions, if they truly support religious freedom. We see, again, that the Libertarian Solidarity movement is nothing but a foreign-funded effort to stir up controversy and hinder stability in Lodamun. -- Trevor Fertig, Chairman of the GNRG |
| Date | 04:51:10, March 13, 2016 CET | From | Anarchist Workers' Union | To | Debating the Recognising Major/Minor Religions Proposal |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, My party will support this bill. However, I request the GNRG stop it's crusade against the Libertarian Solidarity Movement. Insults and division will get no where, and will only lead to more divisions in Lodamun. The Presidium should be a place where anyone can speak their minds. I'm sure that the Libertarian Solidarity Movement meant no offense, Chairman. Elizabeth Williams, DSPL Chairwoman |
| Date | 11:06:55, March 13, 2016 CET | From | Grand Nationalist Fraction | To | Debating the Recognising Major/Minor Religions Proposal |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, our only concern is that acknowledging these religions will lead to uproar. We can live with other religions in our glorious nation, but the wellfare of Lodamun is the most important. If this bill passes, the religions concerned should be severely monitored by the government. Louisa Labete Minister of Education and Culture |
| Date | 15:01:35, March 13, 2016 CET | From | Libertarian Solidarity | To | Debating the Recognising Major/Minor Religions Proposal |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, if the Religious Freedom Act passes, there will be enough freedom for all religions to exist without any restrains. We prefer this scenario and we see nothing opportunistic in supporting a less favourable one because, still, it is much better than what the GNRC jammed through the throats of the people of Lodamun. Also, conspiracy theories about our movement hardly help any political goal. We are completely independent and that's what evidently irritates the GNRC because there's little sympathy for independence in their understanding of the world. Cecil W. Monroe, Chair of Libertarian Solidarity |
| Date | 20:49:46, March 13, 2016 CET | From | Lodamese Social Democratic Party (LSDP) | To | Debating the Recognising Major/Minor Religions Proposal |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, To clarify, a former leader of the LSDP converted to Lethoism, but it was never the majority view of the party, regardless of that leaders attempts to make it so. The LSDP favors secularism, and most members are atheists or agnostic. Sibylla Shepard LSDP Parliamentary Leader |
| Date | 00:50:34, March 14, 2016 CET | From | Great National Republican Guard | To | Debating the Recognising Major/Minor Religions Proposal |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, "Atheism" and "Agnosticism" are not organised or institutionalised. They should not be considered 'religions' because granting them the status of 'recognised religions' will not really benefit them. Also, for the bill to say "we don't agree with" atheism is not a good idea. Many MPs in this Presidium are atheist, including all members of the GNRG. We need to understand that religion/secularity and theism/atheism are different things. Also, gnosticism/agnosticism is another thing that is different from those other 2 things. A religion can be theistic or atheistic. Lodamese Nationalism, for example, is atheistic. Some Gao-Showan religions are atheistic. If we're going to treat "Atheism" as a religion, we are either assuming that "Theism" is a grand religion, or that all religions are theistic. As a result of these technicalities which will become confusing, we believe that Atheism and Agnosticism should be left entirely out of the discussion, as some religions are already atheistic, and members of many religions are agnostic. Lodamese Nationalism was formed by atheists as a political resistance to monotheistic religious institutions which affixed themselves to imperialism and global colonial missions. Also, the GNRG disagrees with labelling religions as "major" or "minor" when we already have an official state religion. We should treat Lethoism like any other religion. Lastly, there are 2 main religions that the GNRG will vehemently oppose; they are Hosianism and Shadowism. -- Joshua Fertig, Chairman of the GNRG, Vice President of Lodamun |
| Date | 01:28:00, March 14, 2016 CET | From | Pro Lodamunese Unitarian Party | To | Debating the Recognising Major/Minor Religions Proposal |
| Message | This isn't an attack on any religion, atheism included and should not be taken as such. If you dont agree with something or someone you have the right to say that. To say I don't agree with atheism doesn't mean Im against it all together. My personal beliefs just don't line up with atheism, and if it lines up with yours then all the good in the world to you. And to say this wouldn't benefit atheism is not completely true. Under current law all schools in some way shape or form is to be, inherently, religious, and only recongised religions can open schools. So if the atheist wish to create secular schools they need this. Just because something like atheism isn't organized doesn't exclude it from religion status many past religions were unorganized and uninstitutionalised They just have a anti theist belief system. James Lodamun PLUP President |
| Date | 01:31:51, March 14, 2016 CET | From | Pro Lodamunese Unitarian Party | To | Debating the Recognising Major/Minor Religions Proposal |
| Message | We can agree that agnostics wouldn't benefit much from this. So we will take them off of the list. James Lodamun PLUP President |
| Date | 01:48:21, March 14, 2016 CET | From | Great National Republican Guard | To | Debating the Recognising Major/Minor Religions Proposal |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, I am not saying that the bill is an attack on Atheism, but we cannot vote in favour of a motion that declares that "we don't agree with" atheism. This bill should be about a list of recognised religions, not any single MP's "personal beliefs" - if the bill is going to state that "we don't agree with" something, it needs to be something that all MPs, or at least the MPs who are expected to vote in favour, don't agree with. Also, James Lodamun is confusing Atheism with Secularity. Lodamese Nationalism is atheistic. Currently, the only recognised religion is Lodamese Nationalism, and prayers are forbidden in schools. Atheists aren't being made to worship any deity or practise any theistic rituals. "Atheism" isn't a religion or organisation. Some religions and religious organisations, like Lodamese Nationalism and some Gao-Showan religions, are atheistic. I did not say that this bill "wouldn't benefit Atheism" - I think James Lodamun is misinterpreting my comments. Let us just stick to discussing religion, not theism/atheism or gnosticism/agnosticism. It creates confusion. -- Joshua Fertig, Chairman of the GNRG, Vice President of Lodamun |
| Date | 02:15:01, March 14, 2016 CET | From | Pro Lodamunese Unitarian Party | To | Debating the Recognising Major/Minor Religions Proposal |
| Message | You are firmly against shadowism as a recongised religion?so your not willing to make peace with them? This is the best way to do so. There will always be a little unfavorable feelings between the two, because of the history, but if one can set aside it's differences, it is a step in the right direction. James Lodamun PLUP President |
| Date | 03:13:37, March 14, 2016 CET | From | Great National Republican Guard | To | Debating the Recognising Major/Minor Religions Proposal |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, Yes, my party is firmly against Shadowism being given state recognition. We do not want a step in the right direction; we want a step in the Left direction. In the City of Shades, Shadowists armed citizens of the slums; the GNRG is all for arming the working class, but not for the same reason as Shadowists. Shadowists explicitly stated that their intention in arming these people was to have them guard the 'royal family' that ruled Shadowist-controlled areas. Also, Shadowism operates a state within the Lodamese state. Lodamese Nationalism promotes the people's state over everything else, while Shadowists talk about "Shadow Gods" and fancy bourgeois politics. Their political arm spoke of how it "suffers" when its "monarch" is not "in control" of Lodamun. -- Joshua Fertig, Chairman of the GNRG, Vice President of Lodamun |
| Date | 10:52:08, March 14, 2016 CET | From | Together! | To | Debating the Recognising Major/Minor Religions Proposal |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, The Together! Movement firmly believes on freedom of religious creed and expression. Hence, we will offer our ideological support not only to this bill, but to all those concerning such precious matters. It is time our nation unites around the ideals of enhanced personal freedoms; henceforth pursuing an agenda of recognition of all religious denominations and creeds. This is a step in the right direction! -- Kristian H. Zackheim Chairman of the Together! Movement |
| Date | 10:52:08, March 14, 2016 CET | From | Together! | To | Debating the Recognising Major/Minor Religions Proposal |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, The Together! Movement firmly believes on freedom of religious creed and expression. Hence, we will offer our ideological support not only to this bill, but to all those concerning such precious matters. It is time our nation unites around the ideals of enhanced personal freedoms; henceforth pursuing an agenda of recognition of all religious denominations and creeds. This is a step in the right direction! -- Kristian H. Zackheim Chairman of the Together! Movement |
| Date | 00:08:44, March 16, 2016 CET | From | Pro Lodamunese Unitarian Party | To | Debating the Recognising Major/Minor Religions Proposal |
| Message | Is there no possible way that nationalist and shadowist can coexist in peace? Is there no hope for the future? James Lodamun PLUP President |
| Date | 02:38:41, March 16, 2016 CET | From | Great National Republican Guard | To | Debating the Recognising Major/Minor Religions Proposal |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, Just like Lodamese Nationalism was built as a resistance to Hosianism and colonialism, Shadowism was built as a resistance movement to Lodamese Nationalism. We explained why we will not make peace with Shadowists. Not only were they a cult, but they embraced monarchism and Capitalism. The only branch of Lodamese Nationalism that tolerated the idea of monarchy in Lodamun was the Karavists, but the Karavs were chased out of Lodamun, so the Karavists lost hope. -- Joshua Fertig, Chairman of the GNRG, Minister of Trade & Industry, Vice President of Lodamun |
| Date | 18:12:01, March 16, 2016 CET | From | Pro Lodamunese Unitarian Party | To | Debating the Recognising Major/Minor Religions Proposal |
| Message | What about Lethoism do you have an opinion on them? James Lodamun PLUP President |
| Date | 18:28:38, March 16, 2016 CET | From | Great National Republican Guard | To | Debating the Recognising Major/Minor Religions Proposal |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, We have no aversion to Lethoism. Also, we have no aversion to Atheism, but we think that this bill should focus strictly on the question of religion, not theism/atheism. Some religions are atheistic, and going into recognising a theistic stance as an official religion will cause legal confusion. -- Joshua Fertig, Chairman of the GNRG, Minister of Trade & Industry, Vice President of Lodamun |
| Date | 12:20:40, March 21, 2016 CET | From | Grand Nationalist Fraction | To | Debating the Recognising Major/Minor Religions Proposal |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, could we be enlightened with what Lethoism stands for? Luigi Corason Minister of Internal Affairs |
| Date | 05:35:36, March 22, 2016 CET | From | Pro Lodamunese Unitarian Party | To | Debating the Recognising Major/Minor Religions Proposal |
| Message | OOC: to be brutally honest with you I got no clue what it even is. |
| Date | 05:36:11, March 22, 2016 CET | From | Pro Lodamunese Unitarian Party | To | Debating the Recognising Major/Minor Religions Proposal |
| Message | OOC: aside from being a religion |
| Date | 06:20:07, March 22, 2016 CET | From | National Liberal Alliance | To | Debating the Recognising Major/Minor Religions Proposal |
| Message | OOC: I'm confused. Why are we voting on the recognition of a religion that the sponsor of the bill admits they know nothing about its basic tenets? |
| Date | 07:15:56, March 22, 2016 CET | From | Grand Nationalist Fraction | To | Debating the Recognising Major/Minor Religions Proposal |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, we cannot accept this proposal without knowing what Lethoism exactly is. We will abstain. Luigi Corason Minister of Internal Affairs |
| Date | 16:32:30, March 22, 2016 CET | From | Great National Republican Guard | To | Debating the Recognising Major/Minor Religions Proposal |
| Message | OOC: There is no "sponsor" of the bill. Someone just took on the task of getting this thing done, because multiple persons called for it to be done. There were multiple suggestions, and Lethoism was the only thing left on the list after discussion/debate. The bill's author could have voted against it. |
| Date | 04:21:32, March 23, 2016 CET | From | Lodamese Social Democratic Party (LSDP) | To | Debating the Recognising Major/Minor Religions Proposal |
| Message | OOC: We can disregard the bill if all the other religions have been removed. My old housemate was the user who created Lethoism, but he doesn't seem to have much interest in coming back, so it may as well be disregarded. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 151 | ||||
| no | Total Seats: 0 | ||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 448 |
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