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Bill: Act of Secularization of the State
Details
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: July 4001
Description[?]:
| An act to promote the secularisation of our democratic institutions. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change State penalties for blasphemy
Old value:: Both private and public blasphemy are considered grave offenses, and are heavily prosecuted.
Current: No state penalties are issued for blasphemy.
Proposed: No state penalties are issued for blasphemy.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Government policy concerning religions.
Old value:: There is an official state religion, but membership is completely voluntary.
Current: There is no government policy concerning a state religion.
Proposed: There is no government policy concerning a state religion.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 16:20:29, March 15, 2016 CET | From | Libertarian Solidarity | To | Debating the Act of Secularization of the State |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, we strongly support the bill. Cecil W. Monroe, Chair of Libertarian Solidarity |
| Date | 20:00:47, March 15, 2016 CET | From | Anarchist Workers' Union | To | Debating the Act of Secularization of the State |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, My party believes in secularization of the church and state, and so we will support this bill. Elizabeth Williams, DSPL Chairwoman |
| Date | 20:21:05, March 15, 2016 CET | From |  Great National Republican Guard | To | Debating the Act of Secularization of the State |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, How did "the church" get into this? There are currently no recognised religions in Lodamun which have churches. The current laws, which this bill would change, have absolutely nothing to do with the Hosian church, or any churches. -- Joshua Fertig, Chairman of the GNRG, Minister of Trade & Industry, Vice President of Lodamun |
| Date | 21:25:56, March 15, 2016 CET | From | Anarchist Workers' Union | To | Debating the Act of Secularization of the State |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, I disagree. In June of 3529, the GNRG proposed a bill that would allow them to convert Hosian churches into "Churches of the State". Does this not mean that Lodamunese Nationalism incorporates some form of a church? Elizabeth Williams, DSPL Chairwoman |
| Date | 21:39:00, March 15, 2016 CET | From | Great National Republican Guard | To | Debating the Act of Secularization of the State |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, We believe Elizabeth Williams refers to this bill: http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=389248 That was a manipulation of the Hosian church itself, not the incorporation of Hosian institutions into Lodamese Nationalism. The intention was to make the church subservient to the state while they still existed, and then convert Hosians into Lodamese Nationalists. Note that the bill stated that "The state appoints all heads and other ministers of all religions" which is not like our most recently-passed statute on Lodamese Nationalism where "The state appoints the head and ministers of the state religion, but does not intervene otherwise." The state had control of churches then, not as a part of Lodamese Nationalism, but recognising that Hosianism would still exist even after the government mandated membership in another religion. The government took control of the church to destroy it. Lodamese Nationalism has always been anti-Hosian and anti-church. Understand that bill in context, please. In 3722, churches were labelled as "Hosian nests" and the government began to actively destroy them:http://forum.particracy.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=57&p=76050#p76050 This pressed on into the mid-3720s: http://forum.particracy.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=57&p=76274#p76274 -- Joshua Fertig, Chairman of the GNRG, Minister of Trade & Industry, Vice President of Lodamun |
| Date | 09:48:46, March 21, 2016 CET | From | National Liberal Alliance | To | Debating the Act of Secularization of the State |
| Message | Mr Speaker, We support some liberalisation of the blasphemy law but we reject any attempts to completely secularise the Lodamese state as our national religion is an important part of our national identity and should be promoted. Brian Hinn NLA Chairman |
| Date | 13:16:08, March 21, 2016 CET | From | Grand Nationalist Fraction | To | Debating the Act of Secularization of the State |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, I hope that the nation will maintain its Nationalist values. Louisa Labete Minister of Education and Culture |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 302 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 250 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 47 |
| Random fact: Real-life organisations should not be referenced in Particracy, unless they are simple and generic (eg. "National Organisation for Women" is allowed). |
| Random quote: "The Religious Right dislikes both abortions and homosexuality. But who has fewer abortions than gays?" - George Carlin |