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Bill: Debate: Beiteynu Demand's the eviction of Luthorians (VOTE NEEDED)
Details
Submitted by[?]: Imperial Conservative Union (IA)
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: September 4007
Description[?]:
| From the "Rebel" Government of Beiteynu Dear foreign minister the government of Beiteynu intends to increase the Yeudi share of the population and therefore demand that your country takes back the Luthorians (ethnic group) within the borders of Beiteynu. Should this not happen then we are forced the applie the State of Emergency regulations to the Luthorians within our borders. Financial help can be granted. If you agree, we will pass a law which organizes the rehousing an demand the same from you. Signed Grünbaum, president --------------------------------------- OOC: To make it easier to track what each party believes the response should be. IC: Mr. Speaker, These are the terms that have been reached in negotiation: Luthori will take back .5% or 500K of the Luthorians living there over a 20 year period and will be resettled in Luthori. The Beiteynu government will provide full compensation. The remaining 5.5% Luthorians living there won't be affected by their racialist policies as long as they remain in Endlid. If you support this agreement please state "Aye" or if you oppose say "Nay", and the only alternative is likely war. I yield. Imperial Chancellor The Rt Hon. Malcolm Price |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 18:37:46, March 27, 2016 CET | From | Imperial Conservative Union (IA) | To | Debating the Debate: Beiteynu Demand's the eviction of Luthorians (VOTE NEEDED) |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, What disgusting behavior and demands these decedents of rebels make towards us. They threaten the Luthorian's living in the Holy Land with eviction, for the mere desire of "increasing" their ethnic population. Besides, Luthorians are far superior to the Yeudi peoples. I ask this chamber will we sit quietly and allow ourselves to be insulted like this? Will we allow these decedents of rebel scum dictate imperial policy? I say NAY!!! Let us instead, if it is this Diet's opinion, a recommend to the Emperor and the Privy Council that Luthori should display the might of her empire, reclaim the Kingdom of Yishelem (OOC: traditionally, just the province of Endild) from these lowly scum who dare make demands of Luthori, and once again remind Terra why Luthori should be feared. All Hail Luthori!!! I yield. -The Most Hon. Henry Weithard, 45th Margrave of Kensdale Imperial Foreign Minister (From ICU benches: All Hail Luthori!...All Hail Luthori!...All Hail Luthori!...) |
| Date | 05:16:52, March 28, 2016 CET | From | National Party of Luthori | To | Debating the Debate: Beiteynu Demand's the eviction of Luthorians (VOTE NEEDED) |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, We are shocked to see Luthorians forcefully made to leave their homes in Beitenyu. So shocked that the Nationals have switched their position regarding the Recognition of the Emperor's Claim to the Royal Throne of the Commonwealth of Yishelem and Beiteynu! We now recognise that this current government is hostile to not only Luthorians, but every other Hosian currently residing in the nation. I yield. |
| Date | 15:22:51, March 28, 2016 CET | From | Hosian Socialist Party | To | Debating the Debate: Beiteynu Demand's the eviction of Luthorians (VOTE NEEDED) |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, Let us drop the proverbial hammer in defense of our fellow man. I Yield Bishop Peter J. Camiel |
| Date | 17:27:21, March 28, 2016 CET | From | United Centre | To | Debating the Debate: Beiteynu Demand's the eviction of Luthorians (VOTE NEEDED) |
| Message | Mr Speaker, Luthori shall play no part in Majatra. The Calatian Empire or the Pontesians may attack us for it! I yield. Rhiannon Aurora |
| Date | 18:15:11, March 28, 2016 CET | From | Imperial Conservative Union (IA) | To | Debating the Debate: Beiteynu Demand's the eviction of Luthorians (VOTE NEEDED) |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, We fear neither, and we are positive they will not interfere. Furthermore, considering we already have a naval base in the region, we are already involved in Majatra affairs. I yield. |
| Date | 22:20:21, March 28, 2016 CET | From | National Party of Luthori | To | Debating the Debate: Beiteynu Demand's the eviction of Luthorians (VOTE NEEDED) |
| Message | Mr Speaker, We echo the statement made by the ICU MP, but also suggest caution knowing our sitting Defence Minister has ties to communists. We must offer up a new coalition of parties who are committed to defend Luthorians not only at home, but also abroad. I yield. |
| Date | 00:20:22, March 29, 2016 CET | From | Imperial Conservative Union (IA) | To | Debating the Debate: Beiteynu Demand's the eviction of Luthorians (VOTE NEEDED) |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, The Defense Minister's role is minimal at best. The IDM reforms make it so, and I am sure the Chief of the General Staff (OOC: have not made a character yet) is more than qualified to led the empire during any conflict. I yield. |
| Date | 02:05:52, March 29, 2016 CET | From | National Party of Luthori | To | Debating the Debate: Beiteynu Demand's the eviction of Luthorians (VOTE NEEDED) |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, The Defense Ministry is responsible for matters of defense, which means the Defence Minister the defender of the realm. Are you disputing this fact? I yield. |
| Date | 04:32:53, March 29, 2016 CET | From | Freeborn Luthorians/Freeborn Coalition | To | Debating the Debate: Beiteynu Demand's the eviction of Luthorians (VOTE NEEDED) |
| Message | "Mr. Speaker" "We can't go to war nor can we 'flex our might' we can take in the Luthorians fleeing this scummy nation and if it comes to basic genocide of Hosians then we step in. As of now it's just a racist government. Not saying we shouldn't do anything." Karl Jinx LPU MP |
| Date | 04:36:11, March 29, 2016 CET | From | Imperial Conservative Union (IA) | To | Debating the Debate: Beiteynu Demand's the eviction of Luthorians (VOTE NEEDED) |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, Read the Constitutional amendments passed in the IDM reforms. The very ones you helped pass. It implies, through its reforms, that the Imperial Ministry of Defense, itself, has almost no responsibilities and duties other than procurement despite officially being the best funded department . All the top positions are appointed by the Emperor to the Privy Council, and they each head the branches within the Ministry. The Minister of Defense as "head" of the "Ministry of Defense" is simply responsible for acquisition which is all that is left. Thus, we are not dispute facts, we are simply reading the laws we have passed. I yield. |
| Date | 04:58:59, March 29, 2016 CET | From | Imperial Conservative Union (IA) | To | Debating the Debate: Beiteynu Demand's the eviction of Luthorians (VOTE NEEDED) |
| Message | OOC: Again used my phone....god I am sorry, the above is awful grammar and spelling. Apologies. |
| Date | 05:20:27, March 29, 2016 CET | From | Imperial Conservative Union (IA) | To | Debating the Debate: Beiteynu Demand's the eviction of Luthorians (VOTE NEEDED) |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, It is from our understanding that this body seems to be in the majority toward replying the rebels that we will not tolerate such behavior and will respond in force if they decide to act. Recommending to the Privy Council to advise the Emperor on military action. Are we in agreement? I yield. |
| Date | 05:23:09, March 29, 2016 CET | From | National Party of Luthori | To | Debating the Debate: Beiteynu Demand's the eviction of Luthorians (VOTE NEEDED) |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, We would like further clarification on this before action takes place. Are you saying that whatever the Diet decides the Privy Council will advice the Emperor to do whatever it wants regarldess of the Diets decision? I yield |
| Date | 05:31:42, March 29, 2016 CET | From | Imperial Conservative Union (IA) | To | Debating the Debate: Beiteynu Demand's the eviction of Luthorians (VOTE NEEDED) |
| Message | OOC: Technically the Emperor (Privy Council) can deploy the military without approval. Things like nukes require approval, but they could deploy a force. Now funding in theory comes through here, so the Diet could react, but that has never happened. Under the Emperor Article: "Can carry out military actions without a declaration of war being passed, but cannot use the full force of the empire (i.e. nukes) without a declaration of war from Diet." IC: Mr. Speaker, The Privy Council will surely take this body's advice into consideration, but as since this is an Imperial Matter and neither the PM nor the IC has sent a declaration to this body, a recommendation is the best we can do. Matters that concern the Empire as a whole are of their prerogative. However, if there is any doubt regarding the matter, I am sure the PM will formally ask the Diet for a "formal answer." I yield. |
| Date | 15:55:43, March 29, 2016 CET | From | Imperial Conservative Union (IA) | To | Debating the Debate: Beiteynu Demand's the eviction of Luthorians (VOTE NEEDED) |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, As we bicker over petty ideologies: http://forum.particracy.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=52&start=260 I yield. |
| Date | 16:23:15, March 29, 2016 CET | From | Hosian Socialist Party | To | Debating the Debate: Beiteynu Demand's the eviction of Luthorians (VOTE NEEDED) |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, We cannot stand for this. I yield |
| Date | 17:48:09, March 29, 2016 CET | From | United Centre | To | Debating the Debate: Beiteynu Demand's the eviction of Luthorians (VOTE NEEDED) |
| Message | Mr Speaker, Attention! We have heard from the Selucian and Cildanian (Nations within the Calatian Empire) that they plan to impose tariffs on Beiteynu. I yield. Rhiannon Aurora Health Minister |
| Date | 18:12:36, March 29, 2016 CET | From | Imperial Conservative Union (IA) | To | Debating the Debate: Beiteynu Demand's the eviction of Luthorians (VOTE NEEDED) |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, Even more proof Luthori should free Yishelem and restore a sanctuary for civilized people's. I yield. |
| Date | 21:05:50, March 29, 2016 CET | From | Imperial Conservative Union (IA) | To | Debating the Debate: Beiteynu Demand's the eviction of Luthorians (VOTE NEEDED) |
| Message | OOC: Have reached out to the party there and we will be exploring a script for an RP (which will be done on the forums). I have had more free time today due to my computer being worked on, but thesis work will be heavy until the 9th. Consequently, we will probably be "retconning" the dates to around this time once/if we do start such an RP. Will post a link to the forum thread once we start writing. |
| Date | 00:15:45, March 31, 2016 CET | From | National Party of Luthori | To | Debating the Debate: Beiteynu Demand's the eviction of Luthorians (VOTE NEEDED) |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, I would like all talks of military intervention be put on hold as both the Imperial Viceroy and I are in talks with the Yeudish government with hopes of a peaceful resolution. So far our efforts seem to be working and their government has suspended any further actions against Luthorians living there until we sort this mess out. I yield. Imperial Chancellor The Rt Hon. Malcolm Price |
| Date | 00:24:06, March 31, 2016 CET | From | Conservative Right | To | Debating the Debate: Beiteynu Demand's the eviction of Luthorians (VOTE NEEDED) |
| Message | Mr Speaker The gun is mightier than the sword! Let's put the entire force of our army to work! We, the Conservative right want to see a deceleration of war! Amanda Millington defense minster |
| Date | 01:03:15, March 31, 2016 CET | From | Hosian Socialist Party | To | Debating the Debate: Beiteynu Demand's the eviction of Luthorians (VOTE NEEDED) |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, We will honor the Imperial Chancellor's and Viceroy's request, and we pray that they are guided on right path to help our nation. I yield Bishop Peter J. Camiel |
| Date | 05:05:00, March 31, 2016 CET | From | Imperial Conservative Union (IA) | To | Debating the Debate: Beiteynu Demand's the eviction of Luthorians (VOTE NEEDED) |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=467321 This is not a sign of progress. Luthori has a responsibility. It failed to maintain order and lost this territory. It should take it back and free these people from this disgusting "rebel" scum!! I yield. |
| Date | 16:22:12, April 01, 2016 CET | From | Freeborn Luthorians/Freeborn Coalition | To | Debating the Debate: Beiteynu Demand's the eviction of Luthorians (VOTE NEEDED) |
| Message | "Mr. Speaker" "I don't like you, and you don't like me, but the fact their enslaving minorities and say 'not YET' for Luthorians is simply scary. We must go on the offensive before we see a complete GENOCIDE!" Vladimir Armstrong Leader of the LPU |
| Date | 17:43:53, April 01, 2016 CET | From | National Party of Luthori | To | Debating the Debate: Beiteynu Demand's the eviction of Luthorians (VOTE NEEDED) |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, These are the terms that have been reached in negotiation: Luthori will take back .5% or 500K of the Luthorians living there over a 20 year period and will be resettled in Luthori. The Beiteynu government will provide full compensation. The remaining 5.5% Luthorians living there won't be affected by their racialist policies as long as they remain in Endlid. If you support this agreement please state "yay" or if you oppose say "Nay", and the only alternative is likely war. I yield. Imperial Chancellor The Rt Hon. Malcolm Price |
| Date | 17:58:57, April 01, 2016 CET | From | Hosian Socialist Party | To | Debating the Debate: Beiteynu Demand's the eviction of Luthorians (VOTE NEEDED) |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, How can we trust Beiteynu to keep their end of the bargain? President Grunbaum has proven to be a racist to the core with the Knesset's passing of a law referring to all minorities as slaves. While we might risk war, it will be a righteous war to topple a racist regime. We vote nay. I Yield Bishop Peter J. Camiel |
| Date | 18:32:38, April 01, 2016 CET | From | Imperial Conservative Union (IA) | To | Debating the Debate: Beiteynu Demand's the eviction of Luthorians (VOTE NEEDED) |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, The Kingdom of Yishelem (Endlid) must be liberated from these racist decedents of rebel scum. They have disrespected not only our ethnic kin, but they have insulted our Emperor and our Empire by demanding we take "them or else". Not only does Luthori have a right, but she has a duty to create a sanctuary in the Holy Land for good Hosian Luthorians to live in from this slime and his fellow filth. We vote nay for Yishelem!!! All Hail Luthori!!! I yield. ICU benches: All Hail Luthori!!!...All Hail Luthori!!!...All Hail Luthori!!!... |
| Date | 19:04:58, April 01, 2016 CET | From | Conservative Right | To | Debating the Debate: Beiteynu Demand's the eviction of Luthorians (VOTE NEEDED) |
| Message | Mr Speaker Let's unleash the extreme force of our military on these racist! Nay! We vote for war! All hail luthori! Francis Urquhart leader of the Conservative Right |
| Date | 18:26:39, April 02, 2016 CET | From | Freeborn Luthorians/Freeborn Coalition | To | Debating the Debate: Beiteynu Demand's the eviction of Luthorians (VOTE NEEDED) |
| Message | "Mr. Speaker" "Nay! They can not demand something from us! I demand the diet support the invasion of this Scummy Slaver Backwards place now!" Vladimir Armstrong Leader of the LPU |
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