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Bill: Conservative reforms of 4008
Details
Submitted by[?]: Conservative Right
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: March 4009
Description[?]:
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Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government position in respect to crossdressing policy.
Old value:: Crossdressing is allowed.
Current: Local governments determine the legality of crossdressing.
Proposed: Crossdressing is prohibited by the state.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The salaries of members of parliament and/or government.
Old value:: Members of parliament and/or government are entitled to a comparatively average salary.
Current: Members of parliament and/or government are entitled to a comparatively large salary.
Proposed: Members of parliament and/or government have all their expenses paid for by the state.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change Military stance on homosexuality.
Old value:: Homosexuality is allowed in the military.
Current: Homosexuality is allowed in the military.
Proposed: Open homosexuality is not tolerated in the military. The military has a "don't ask, don't tell" policy.
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change Right to privacy.
Old value:: Individuals have a right to privacy, to keep records and information for themselves.
Current: Individuals have a right to privacy, but the courts can force individuals to give information on certain matters if needed. (also known as Habeas Data).
Proposed: The government has the right to monitor information of individuals without letting them know.
Article 5
Proposal[?] to change The national refugee policy.
Old value:: All refugees are welcome, regardless of their reason, and given aid in integrating them into the country.
Current: Only refugees that are victims of extreme circumstances are welcome; they are given integration-aid.
Proposed: No refugees are allowed to enter the country.
Article 6
Proposal[?] to change The professional retirement age.
Old value:: 65
Current: 67
Proposed: 67
Article 7
Proposal[?] to change The government's stance on whaling.
Old value:: Commercial whaling is illegal, but whaling for scientific purposes is allowed.
Current: Commercial whaling is legal, but the government establishes whaling quotas.
Proposed: Commercial whaling is legal, but the government establishes whaling quotas.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 21:30:27, April 04, 2016 CET | From | United Centre | To | Debating the Conservative reforms of 4008 |
| Message | Mr Speaker, This is sick and homophobic. I have a gay son, and this just makes me really see what a bunch of homophobic idiots you and your voters must be. Humphrey Lawson IV Unity Leader Agriculture Minister |
| Date | 21:38:29, April 04, 2016 CET | From | National Party of Luthori | To | Debating the Conservative reforms of 4008 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, Article II is most certainly not a conservative value. I yield. |
| Date | 21:40:27, April 04, 2016 CET | From | Conservative Right | To | Debating the Conservative reforms of 4008 |
| Message | Mr Speaker, Would Mr Lawson please calm down. I have already laid forward why i think that it's necessary. And as to NPL. It's not right that people who are the brightest and best in the country can't serve their country politically because they may lose their house. Viscount George William Urquhart |
| Date | 21:47:56, April 04, 2016 CET | From | Hosian Socialist Party | To | Debating the Conservative reforms of 4008 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, We agree with articles II and VII, but we cannot support this bill. We agree with Mr. Lawson that on its face, this bill is incredibly homophobic and you have not provided good reason as to why homosexuals cannot serve their country. I yield Violet Wolfesnberger |
| Date | 22:22:58, April 04, 2016 CET | From | United Centre | To | Debating the Conservative reforms of 4008 |
| Message | Mr Speaker, This is insane! Are you saying if a gay man wears a woman's bracelet, or women's earrings, or women's jeans, or a woman's t-shirt they should be arrested? Humphrey Lawson IV Unity Leader Agriculture Minister |
| Date | 22:34:55, April 04, 2016 CET | From | Conservative Right | To | Debating the Conservative reforms of 4008 |
| Message | Mr Speaker, That is exactly what i am saying. This country needs a party who values the tradtional family values. Not some pretend to be right hippie party like yours. George W Urquhart |
| Date | 22:40:32, April 04, 2016 CET | From | Hosian Socialist Party | To | Debating the Conservative reforms of 4008 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, The insulting tone of the Conservative Right has led us to make a decision that we will not engage in debate with them anymore. The hateful and insulting rhetoric from their party should make Francis Urquhart turn in his grave. I yield Violet Wolfensberger |
| Date | 22:42:13, April 04, 2016 CET | From | United Centre | To | Debating the Conservative reforms of 4008 |
| Message | Mr Speaker, I won't let my son be arrested because he's not exactly like you. I though Hosianism is about love and acceptance, not bigotry and hatred. This bill is disgusting, and I will personally make your life a living hell if this passes. You are genuinely the most evil man in parliament. You are a sick, sadistic, homophobic man - I imagine Francis Urquhart is looking up at you from hell right now. Humphrey Lawson IV Unity Leader Agriculture Minister |
| Date | 22:44:58, April 04, 2016 CET | From | Conservative Right | To | Debating the Conservative reforms of 4008 |
| Message | Mr Speaker, How dare you speak that way of my father you little man! I'll tell you that he was the one with the most faith in our country! This is a bill to keep the morals in our country and make sure that we don't se a decay of morals in our country! I am not homophobic. In fact quite the opposite i walked in the parades in my youth. I think that everyone is equal no matter your skin color or if you prefer men or women. So don't try to paint me in that way! George W Urquhart |
| Date | 22:46:36, April 04, 2016 CET | From | United Centre | To | Debating the Conservative reforms of 4008 |
| Message | Mr Speaker, I'm 6'4'', thank you very much. Wait, you walked in a gay pride parade? That's really interesting considering you want to ban gay people from the military and from dressing as they want. Humphrey Lawson IV Unity Leader Agriculture Minister |
| Date | 22:49:13, April 04, 2016 CET | From | Conservative Right | To | Debating the Conservative reforms of 4008 |
| Message | Mr Speaker, For the last time i have never wanted to ban homosexuality in the military. As said soldiers are soldiers and there should be no sexual relationships between them. And honestly you can still wear whatever you want. This is to simply to put morals back in our society. Nothing more or less George W Urquhart |
| Date | 22:52:56, April 04, 2016 CET | From | United Centre | To | Debating the Conservative reforms of 4008 |
| Message | Mr Speaker, 'Open homosexuality is not tolerated in the military'. This isn't about soldiers being in relationships with each other, it stops gay people from even saying they are gay in the military. Also, it says you can't cross dress in the bill. So you can't 'wear whatever you want'. Read your own bloody bill! Humphrey Lawson IV Unity Leader Agriculture Minister |
| Date | 22:56:42, April 04, 2016 CET | From | Conservative Right | To | Debating the Conservative reforms of 4008 |
| Message | Mr Speaker, As said this is about the moral decay in our country. There are no punishments for wearing another genders clothing. It is just not encouraged. And once more it's a don't ask don't tell! George W Urquhart |
| Date | 22:57:29, April 04, 2016 CET | From | United Centre | To | Debating the Conservative reforms of 4008 |
| Message | "Crossdressing is prohibited by the state." |
| Date | 22:59:36, April 04, 2016 CET | From | United Centre | To | Debating the Conservative reforms of 4008 |
| Message | Mr Speaker, It says "Crossdressing is prohibited by the state". Plus, cross dressing isn't encouraged. How are we encouraging cross-dressing? Humphrey Lawson IV Unity Leader Agriculture Minister |
| Date | 23:00:04, April 04, 2016 CET | From | Conservative Right | To | Debating the Conservative reforms of 4008 |
| Message | As said previously no punishments are enforced if you do. |
| Date | 23:02:46, April 04, 2016 CET | From | United Centre | To | Debating the Conservative reforms of 4008 |
| Message | Mr Speaker, Prohibited /prə(ʊ)ˈhɪbɪtɪd/ adjective That which has been forbidden or banned, incurring a penalty from an authority. Humphrey Lawson IV Unity Leader Agriculture Minister |
| Date | 23:07:31, April 04, 2016 CET | From | Conservative Right | To | Debating the Conservative reforms of 4008 |
| Message | Mr Speaker, Are you having trouble understanding me Mr Lawson? I am telling you that there will be no punishment for doing so. And since i made the bill..I think i would know what i am talking about no? George William Urquhart |
| Date | 23:09:37, April 04, 2016 CET | From | United Centre | To | Debating the Conservative reforms of 4008 |
| Message | Mr Speaker, Then what is the point of 'prohibiting' it? Humphrey Lawson IV Unity Leader Agriculture Minister |
| Date | 09:38:28, April 05, 2016 CET | From | Liberal Alliance | To | Debating the Conservative reforms of 4008 |
| Message | Mr Speaker I support the raised retirement age but the rest is just... so weird. I yield. Elizah Jennings Parliamentary Group Leader |
| Date | 21:35:09, April 05, 2016 CET | From | National Party of Luthori | To | Debating the Conservative reforms of 4008 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, Except we are already making a competitive enough salary so why would we lose our house? Not to mention most politicians come from successful backgrounds already. I yield. |
| Date | 22:45:42, April 05, 2016 CET | From | Conservative Right | To | Debating the Conservative reforms of 4008 |
| Message | Mr Speaker, Not all of us live in a normal house. I live in a house that has been passed on for a long time in my family. But that's not really what it's about. It's about getting the best of the best in the diet. The brightest men and women in the country George W Urquhart |
| Date | 23:08:00, April 05, 2016 CET | From | United Centre | To | Debating the Conservative reforms of 4008 |
| Message | Mr Speaker, That's sort of class warfare. Humphrey Lawson IV Unity Leader Agriculture Minister |
| Date | 23:11:08, April 05, 2016 CET | From | Conservative Right | To | Debating the Conservative reforms of 4008 |
| Message | Mr Speaker, Please Mr Lawson save us from your Marxist propaganda. Starting to sound more and more like LPU with each passing day. George W Urquhart |
| Date | 23:20:42, April 05, 2016 CET | From | United Centre | To | Debating the Conservative reforms of 4008 |
| Message | Mr Speaker, Class warfare is not a 'Marxist' topic. The term has been used for over 3,000 years. Humphrey Lawson IV Unity Leader Agriculture Minister |
| Date | 00:02:59, April 06, 2016 CET | From | Freeborn Luthorians/Freeborn Coalition | To | Debating the Conservative reforms of 4008 |
| Message | OOC: it's not Marxist, Metzist (I think) |
| Date | 00:53:16, April 06, 2016 CET | From | Conservative Right | To | Debating the Conservative reforms of 4008 |
| Message | OOC: Sorry about that. Metzist propaganda |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 60 | ||||||
| no |
Total Seats: 398 | ||||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 207 |
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