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Bill: Declaring Coalitions - 41st Century
Details
Submitted by[?]: Great National Republican Guard
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: February 4074
Description[?]:
| Lodamese politics has been characterised by Socialism. All parties pretty much agree on certain principles, and it has led to a period of peace, harmony, and stability in Lodamun. However, there are still things which differentiate our parties, and we should be interested in identifying these things. In the past 500 years, Lodamese Nationalism has, at times, been a dividing factor in Lodamese politics. It is second to the economic question. Depending on the political climate, parties have either been divided on Socialism and Capitalism, or Lodamese Nationalism and other religions. It is important to note that Lodamese Nationalism itself was not intended to be a traditional "religion" - but rather an ideology that counteracted the narrative that foreign gods should be worshipped in Lodamun, as if the people of Lodamun are inferior to the imaginative creations of foreigners. Lodamese Nationalism was created by atheists, and continues to be led by atheists. We have recently answered the question of economics, and it is now time for parties to identify their stance on Lodamese Nationalism. 3 coalitions have been identified so far: - Hardline LN (neo-Fertigists) - GNRG, NWL - Moderate LN (Percyists) - MfP, UDHFU, PLUP, DSPL - Anti-LN - Undeclared - LSDP, LPP We are asking all parties to identify with one of these factions, upon which we will determine coalitions. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 20:21:08, April 05, 2016 CET | From |  Great National Republican Guard | To | Debating the Declaring Coalitions - 41st Century |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, The GNRG identifies with the Hardline LN faction. We expect the NWL to side with us. We are not sure whether the UDHFU and the PLUP will identify with the Hardline LN faction, or the Moderate LN faction. We expect the DSPL to side with the Moderate LN faction, and we expect the LSDP and the Together! movement to identify as Anti-LN. I want to verify these things for the sake of media reporting, so that the world will have a better understanding of Lodamese politics. -- Joshua Fertig, Chairman of the GNRG, Minister of Trade & Industry, Vice President of 2GDR Lodamun |
| Date | 21:58:59, April 05, 2016 CET | From | Anarchist Workers' Union | To | Debating the Declaring Coalitions - 41st Century |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, My party will identify as Moderate LNs. My predecessor thought that was the path my party should take, and believe she knew what was best for the DSPL. However, I want to make something VERY clear. Since my vice-chair Henry Webster will not accept my nomination, it is likely there will be candidates in my party running under each of these principles. There will be Moderate LNs, Anti LNs, and maybe even Hardline LNs. This was something stressed by Elizabeth Williams. This is NOT a permanent position and will most definitely be subject to change in the future. Bernard Warren, DSPL Chairman |
| Date | 05:38:35, April 06, 2016 CET | From | Grand Nationalist Fraction | To | Debating the Declaring Coalitions - 41st Century |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, with the exempt of a very few party members, NWL and its members are hardline LN's. Elisabeth Knowles NWL chairman |
| Date | 08:12:57, April 06, 2016 CET | From | Pro Lodamunese Unitarian Party | To | Debating the Declaring Coalitions - 41st Century |
| Message | PLUP has always been a moderate poltical party, willing to vote in favor of a bill no matter who creates the bill or how far left or right a political party is, as long as you can convince us, and that we feel it wont cause more harm then good to lodamun. We, as a party, hold the belief that we can, and should try, to work together with any party, but this has not alway worked.The only true subject that we may be considered extreme and possibly prejudice in, is a strong lodamunese defence. We will not waiver from that position, ever. So, naturally, we would identify with the moderate LN, we are not against Lodamunese Nationalism, but we wouldn't he totally against voting in favor of a bill that came from a anti LN party either, as long as we feel it will benefit lodamun, and it doesn't go against our own stances. And like the DSPL, we are party made up other members from many walks of life. The above position taken is the official position of the party, but there will be members that share this position, and there will be hardline, and possibly even Anti lodamunese nationalism positions taken from individual members of the party. However, unlike the DSPL, the official stance of the party most likely will not change. Daniel Lodamun HOG Candidate |
| Date | 12:49:26, April 06, 2016 CET | From | Metzian Party of Lodamun | To | Debating the Declaring Coalitions - 41st Century |
| Message | M.Speaker, The history tells that UDHFU was always in favor of Lodamese nationalism and considered it as a initiative to further development to socialism or communism.But we do oppose some of the conservative side it exposes(just a bit),like aversion to freedom of speech,we will support freedom of speech even though they are full of lies unless the lies turns to holy books or business trickery.We also fear the authoritarian socialism(which i call pseudo socialism or state capitalism) that the concepts like Lodamese nationalism have the ability to possess(but thankfully our current LN is not,thanks to the followers,but we cannot ignore the possibility).[Additionally if you guys disagree with me on these topics contact me personally,so we can set ourselves a diplomacy and how to approach your proposed bills in a logical and transparent way,please do contact because thats a great support].We may have changed our policy of Stark's blind thirst for Lodamese nationalism. But We still think it is the only way to protect socialism and make it develop it to further.We consider Lodamese nationalism not as the usual meaning of nationalism but with the true meaning of society in harmony,whether it is Lodamese or Davostanians or Solentians or anyone. We declare our selves Moderate Lodamese Nationalism supporters. Mr.Devin Alex Chairman of UDHFU |
| Date | 23:09:50, April 09, 2016 CET | From | Pro Lodamunese Unitarian Party | To | Debating the Declaring Coalitions - 41st Century |
| Message | OOC: now that's out of the way would you care to explain exactly what is the difference between each coalition, obviously anti LN is against, well LN, but whats the difference between the percyists and the neo fertigists. some of us are newbies and don't exactly have a clear understanding of the differences. You can do it in IC or OOC, it's up to you I just wasn't exactly sure how to ask IC. |
| Date | 01:46:49, April 10, 2016 CET | From | Great National Republican Guard | To | Debating the Declaring Coalitions - 41st Century |
| Message | OOC: Sure, no problem. Lodamese Nationalism has several branches. Historical Branches: http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=413104 - Fertigism is based on the extremely hardline stances that were traditionally held by the NRG and the GNRG. You can look at the bills the NRG and GNRG have proposed in the past, to see what I mean: http://classic.particracy.net/viewpartybills.php?partyid=19613 - it was named after Edwin Fertig, the founder of Lodamese Nationalism. - Karavism is the branch of the GNRG that cares mostly about economic freedom, but still believes that the economy should benefit the masses. They are Social Democrats, and they are also in favour of a monarchy. - Percyism is based on the views of Henry Percy, who led the "National Action Party" and the "Enlightened Lodamun" movement - http://classic.particracy.net/viewparty.php?partyid=22102 | He supported Lodamese Nationalism, but encouraged tolerance for Hosianism and other religions. He was not appreciated by other Lodamese Nationalists until after his death. Percyists tried to be mediators in the conflict between Hosians and Lodamese Nationalists, but radical Hosians denounced them: http://forum.particracy.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=57&p=81108#p81108 New Branches: - Neo-Fertigism is based on the new stances of the GNRG. The GNRG and the NWL are still seen as very hardline, but they are very moderate compared to how they were in the past. They are tolerant of other religions, and they are less likely to use violence to attain their political goals. You can start your own branch, as long as it is consistent with the core principles of Lodamese Nationalism: atheism, Lodamese sovereignty, and the belief that the nation is a social idea rather than an ethnic one (i.e. Lodamese Nationalism is based on unity and solidarity among everyone who chooses to live here). |
| Date | 16:28:21, May 11, 2016 CET | From | Movement for Percyism | To | Debating the Declaring Coalitions - 41st Century |
| Message | Percyists |
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