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Bill: Reform! Rutania, Worker's Union, DSPR, and Green Party "Traffic Light Coalition" Cabinet Proposal

Details

Submitted by[?]: Democratic Socialist Party of Rutania

Status[?]: defeated

Votes: This bill presents the formation of a cabinet. It requires more than half of the legislature to vote yes. Traditionally, parties in the proposal vote yes, others (the opposition) vote no. This bill will pass as soon as the required yes votes are in and all parties in the proposal have voted yes, or will be defeated if unsufficient votes are reached on the deadline.

Voting deadline: June 4015

Description[?]:

Proposing a Cabinet

Proposals

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date11:53:19, April 17, 2016 CET
FromLibertarian Party
ToDebating the Reform! Rutania, Worker's Union, DSPR, and Green Party "Traffic Light Coalition" Cabinet Proposal
MessageOOC: Shouldn't the president also agree with this cabinet proposal since she chairs the cabinet?

Date12:01:51, April 17, 2016 CET
FromGreen Party of Rutania
ToDebating the Reform! Rutania, Worker's Union, DSPR, and Green Party "Traffic Light Coalition" Cabinet Proposal
MessageOOC: The president's party has to support a cabinet in order for it to pass as we discovered last time. To be fair, Libertarians, you scraped the presidential victory this time by a tiny margin and your allies got destroyed in the election. There's no mandate for a right-wing government, the people seem to want a leftist one. As we've had an incomplete government for years now maybe you should consider being more co-operative.

Date12:03:12, April 17, 2016 CET
FromGreen Party of Rutania
ToDebating the Reform! Rutania, Worker's Union, DSPR, and Green Party "Traffic Light Coalition" Cabinet Proposal
MessageOOC: Red-Green parties have over 300 seats...

Date12:07:07, April 17, 2016 CET
FromLibertarian Party
ToDebating the Reform! Rutania, Worker's Union, DSPR, and Green Party "Traffic Light Coalition" Cabinet Proposal
MessageOOC: That would be betraying my voters. Since I would also give up some vital cabinet positions I'll not even slightly consider to do something like that.

Date12:07:09, April 17, 2016 CET
From Democratic Socialist Party of Rutania
ToDebating the Reform! Rutania, Worker's Union, DSPR, and Green Party "Traffic Light Coalition" Cabinet Proposal
MessageI think that we should establish a convention by which the President's party may oppose a cabinet proposal, UNLESS it has a majority without their support, upon which they should support it in order to allow a stable government to form.

Date12:11:46, April 17, 2016 CET
From Democratic Socialist Party of Rutania
ToDebating the Reform! Rutania, Worker's Union, DSPR, and Green Party "Traffic Light Coalition" Cabinet Proposal
MessageIf the Libertarian Party choose to block this, I propose that we call a re-run of the election, in which DSPR, Worker's Union, and the Green Party all endorse the R!R candidate.

Date12:15:06, April 17, 2016 CET
FromLibertarian Party
ToDebating the Reform! Rutania, Worker's Union, DSPR, and Green Party "Traffic Light Coalition" Cabinet Proposal
MessageIn 4012 you also supported the R!R candidate and I still won, so I'm looking forward to do it again.

Date12:19:15, April 17, 2016 CET
From Democratic Socialist Party of Rutania
ToDebating the Reform! Rutania, Worker's Union, DSPR, and Green Party "Traffic Light Coalition" Cabinet Proposal
MessageThe difference is, you only just scraped in against a Green Party with no endorsements this time.

Date12:41:35, April 17, 2016 CET
FromGreen Party of Rutania
ToDebating the Reform! Rutania, Worker's Union, DSPR, and Green Party "Traffic Light Coalition" Cabinet Proposal
MessageOOC: DSRP, your constitutional idea is a good one, but it'd have to receive unanimous support. Given the defensive mood the Libertarians are in because their coalition lost I am not sure if they'd support this.

Regarding snap elections, I should warn you that from my observations they usually produce an even more difficult result. For some reasons the beneficiaries tend to be the smallest parties (which makes no sense), which wouldn't be helpful.

If the consensus is for early elections, I think it'd be foolish to support the R!R candidate given that my candidate almost beat the Libertarian candidate without any endorsements whatsoever. If you don't back my candidate the left wont win the presidency again.

The red-green alliance could always just accept the result. The right is weak and defensive, we have a huge majority, if the Libertarians want to bring the government to a stand still so be it. They may occupy posts in government but those posts are useless as they don't have control of the legislature. We can still make laws with clear majorities at present. An early election might not be so good.

Date22:15:03, April 17, 2016 CET
FromGreat Rutania party
ToDebating the Reform! Rutania, Worker's Union, DSPR, and Green Party "Traffic Light Coalition" Cabinet Proposal
MessageMr speaker, I must congratulate the left on unfairly deceiving the electorate and forming a government.
However a left government is not what this country needs and I will never vote for a left coalition and I will never support a left party in the elections.
Micheal Rights
Party leader

Date00:05:42, April 18, 2016 CET
From Democratic Socialist Party of Rutania
ToDebating the Reform! Rutania, Worker's Union, DSPR, and Green Party "Traffic Light Coalition" Cabinet Proposal
MessageMr Speaker, we go deeper down the rabbit hole ... we now have one of the 'government' parties readily admitting our victory! Surely the Libertarian Party cannot allow this undemocratic circus to go on ...

Date12:35:05, April 18, 2016 CET
FromLibertarian Party
ToDebating the Reform! Rutania, Worker's Union, DSPR, and Green Party "Traffic Light Coalition" Cabinet Proposal
MessageMr. Speaker,

Undemocratic is changing your positions to get more votes and then changing them back again when you've allocated enough seats.

Trevor Roberts,
Deputy leader LP

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Total Seats: 303

no
    

Total Seats: 197

abstain

    Total Seats: 0


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