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Bill: Public Safety Act Repeal
Details
Submitted by[?]: Liberal Republican Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: May 4019
Description[?]:
| Repeal the Public Safety Act. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 10:29:20, April 25, 2016 CET | From | תְּקוּמָה | To | Debating the Public Safety Act Repeal |
| Message | Dear Senators, as the the public safety act is a constitutional ambendment it requires a 2/3-majority to be altered or abolished. Signed Gal Grünbaum ,presdient |
| Date | 00:39:32, April 26, 2016 CET | From | Liberal Republican Party | To | Debating the Public Safety Act Repeal |
| Message | No! When you repeal an amendment, it only requires >50% of the Knesset to vote yes. |
| Date | 01:09:58, April 26, 2016 CET | From | תְּקוּמָה | To | Debating the Public Safety Act Repeal |
| Message | OOC: Here an extract from the official rules of particracy: "Laws outlined in bill descriptions but not specified in game mechanic proposals are known as "role-play laws" or "RP laws" and are recognised under the rules as binding. 22.1. Constitutional RP laws require a 2/3rds majority, just like game mechanic constitutional laws. 22.2 Non-constitutional RP laws require a simple majority, just like non-constitutional game mechanic laws. 22.3 The following types of RP law are specifically disallowed and will be considered void: 22.3.1 RP laws which would not be reasonably easy for an inexperienced player to understand. 22.3.2 RP laws which contradict game mechanic laws. 22.3.3 RP laws which cannot be revoked or can only be revoked by a higher majority than was required to create the law in the first place. There must be a clear mechanism through which a RP law can be overthrown. 22.3.4 RP laws which would make current rule violations legal. 22.3.5 RP laws which, without convincing role-play justification, would ban specific parties or types of parties. 22.3.6 RP laws which are motivated primarily by antagonism towards another player. 22.3.7 RP laws which require early elections in specified circumstances. Players may negotiate voluntary conventions amongst themselves on when early elections are appropriate, but Moderation will not enforce these. 22.3.8 RP laws which require parties to vote in a particular way or to propose or not propose specific measures. However, a RP law may outline consequences for parties which try and then fail to pass a particular bill. For example, under a constitution which bans republican parties, a party might be banned if it tries and then fails to remove the monarchy in a bill vote. The party would then be expected to inactivate in order to simulate its removal from the legislature, although the player would be at liberty to role-play a rebellion led by an extra-parliamentary group." To conclude: What you are trying to do is actually void even by game standards. |
| Date | 01:59:50, April 26, 2016 CET | From | Liberal Republican Party | To | Debating the Public Safety Act Repeal |
| Message | You are violating 22.3.3! The PSA was a resolution in itself, so you can't require a 2/3 vote! |
| Date | 02:07:18, April 26, 2016 CET | From | תְּקוּמָה | To | Debating the Public Safety Act Repeal |
| Message | Nonsens, it is clearly a rp law and was spicifically described as such. Should you not stop these attacks on proven laws and rules, I shall bring this matter before the moderation. |
| Date | 02:10:24, April 26, 2016 CET | From | תְּקוּמָה | To | Debating the Public Safety Act Repeal |
| Message | And of course you can revoke it, please read the law properly. |
| Date | 02:12:30, April 26, 2016 CET | From | Liberal Republican Party | To | Debating the Public Safety Act Repeal |
| Message | What do you mean? |
| Date | 02:13:57, April 26, 2016 CET | From | תְּקוּמָה | To | Debating the Public Safety Act Repeal |
| Message | I mean this: "8.1 Areas affected by the SOE may not be visited by the press. 9. This constitutional ambendment must be passed with a 2/3-majority and can only be abolished of changed with such a majority" |
| Date | 02:23:18, April 26, 2016 CET | From | Liberal Republican Party | To | Debating the Public Safety Act Repeal |
| Message | It was passed when there was no opposition! You were only voted in because there were no other options! |
| Date | 02:23:55, April 26, 2016 CET | From | תְּקוּמָה | To | Debating the Public Safety Act Repeal |
| Message | It was passed according to game rules whether you like it or not. |
| Date | 03:28:03, April 26, 2016 CET | From |  Moderation | To | Debating the Public Safety Act Repeal |
| Message | Greetings, I've found a bit more time and have managed to look into this more closely. So far as I can establish, in itself the Public Safety Act (see http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=466313 ) was legal under the Game Rules. It did not represent an invincible system to defeat. A party or coalition of parties could have gained control of the Presidency and ensured the emergency powers were not used. With a 2/3rds majority, they could rescind the law altogether. However, we have this technicality in the Game Rules (http://forum.particracy.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=6363 ): "22.8 In cases where players have failed to clearly and accurately reference their nation's RP laws in the "Bills under debate" section, Moderation will rule them invalid if a challenge is made to their validity." The Public Safety Act is a very significant RP law in Beiteynu, yet it has not been properly referenced in accordance with the requirements of the rules. Given a challenge has been made to it, I am therefore obliged to rule it invalid. I hope you guys can now move on with this and get on with enjoying the game. Things are much more fun when you work co-operatively together, trust me :). Regards, Aquinas (Moderation) |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |
| yes |
Total Seats: 190 | |
| no |
Total Seats: 185 | |
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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