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Bill: A Bill Concerning Nobility
Details
Submitted by[?]: Beluzian Liberty and Freedom Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: March 4052
Description[?]:
| The BLFP does not support the idea of a landed noble class, but we also do not feel that secular opinions of nobility should be enforced on religious grounds. Part of the importance of religious freedom is a complete separation of church and state. If the church has granted someone's ancestor a hereditary noble title, then who are we, as a secular government, to say that their religion cannot do that? |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Privileges of nobility (if nobility is recognised by the government).
Old value:: Nobility confers only titles and certain minor rights, but no political powers, and is not hereditary.
Current: Nobility confers titles and minor political rights, but no direct control over people or land, and can be hereditary.
Proposed: Nobility confers only titles and certain minor rights, but no political powers, and can be hereditary.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 16:38:24, June 28, 2016 CET | From | The Milita and Freedom Party | To | Debating the A Bill Concerning Nobility |
| Message | Wy should we even have nobility. |
| Date | 16:48:41, June 28, 2016 CET | From | Beluzian Liberty and Freedom Party | To | Debating the A Bill Concerning Nobility |
| Message | The government does not grant nobility these days, but there was a history of nobility in Beluzia. |
| Date | 16:50:50, June 28, 2016 CET | From | Unsubmissive Beluzian Workers Party | To | Debating the A Bill Concerning Nobility |
| Message | Yep. Stanton House is an example. |
| Date | 17:24:10, June 28, 2016 CET | From | Libertarian Party | To | Debating the A Bill Concerning Nobility |
| Message | We're opposed to any nobility. Relicts should stay in the past. |
| Date | 17:53:38, June 28, 2016 CET | From | Unsubmissive Beluzian Workers Party | To | Debating the A Bill Concerning Nobility |
| Message | Put this too vote or do something about it. I don't want a cluster of bills in the debate section. Very annoying |
| Date | 17:59:28, June 28, 2016 CET | From | Unsubmissive Beluzian Workers Party | To | Debating the A Bill Concerning Nobility |
| Message | Oops. Thought this was being proposed by the Libertarian Party |
| Date | 18:07:13, June 28, 2016 CET | From | Beluzian Liberty and Freedom Party | To | Debating the A Bill Concerning Nobility |
| Message | We just want other parties to have the time to voice their opinions, and come to a fair compromise before proposing the bill. |
| Date | 03:51:47, June 29, 2016 CET | From | Imperial Alliance | To | Debating the A Bill Concerning Nobility |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, We strongly support this proposal. Beluzia's traditions deserve not only to be respected, but to be celebrated. Cosmo Adams Chairman of the Imperial Alliance |
| Date | 03:53:49, June 29, 2016 CET | From | Unsubmissive Beluzian Workers Party | To | Debating the A Bill Concerning Nobility |
| Message | From now on, Madam Speaker, please, because we elelcted a female to the position |
| Date | 03:54:41, June 29, 2016 CET | From | Imperial Alliance | To | Debating the A Bill Concerning Nobility |
| Message | OOC: Oops, sorry! |
| Date | 21:14:08, June 29, 2016 CET | From | Beluzian Liberty and Freedom Party | To | Debating the A Bill Concerning Nobility |
| Message | Madam Speaker, if nobody else would like to discuss this proposal, I would like to push this to a vote. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||||
| yes | Total Seats: 329 | ||||||
| no |
Total Seats: 421 | ||||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
| Random fact: If there are no parties in your nation with seats, feel free to visit the forum and request an early election on the Early Election Requests thread: http://forum.particracy.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=4362 |
| Random quote: "The state is nothing but an instrument of oppression of one class by another, no less so in a democratic republic than in a monarchy." - John Smith |