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Bill: Legalization of Smoking
Details
Submitted by[?]: Bolivarian Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: March 2180
Description[?]:
| The bill is to legalize smoking. There are no laws regulating what citizens can put into their bodies and adults may purchase tobacco, as such, smoking should not be prohibited. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government policy towards smoking.
Old value:: Smoking is prohibited.
Current: Smoking regulations are to be determined by local governments.
Proposed: Smoking is legal outdoors and in private homes and clubs, but illegal indoors in all places of employment.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 10:34:35, January 28, 2006 CET | From | United Blobs | To | Debating the Legalization of Smoking |
| Message | No. Smoking is deadly to those who do it and to those around the smoker. Allowing smoking forces others to passive smoke harming their health and increasing the strain on the NHS. It should also be noted that smoking is also banned under the National Health Legislation: Article 2 (http://80.237.164.51/particracy/main/viewbill.php?billid=27462) via the Watchdog clause. |
| Date | 14:25:19, January 28, 2006 CET | From | We Say So! Party | To | Debating the Legalization of Smoking |
| Message | See response from UB. We would also point out that chewing tobacco is not illegal, as it does not effect others, whereas smoking which does effect others is illegal. The same laws apply to other drugs. |
| Date | 20:27:17, January 28, 2006 CET | From | National Imperial Hobrazian Front | To | Debating the Legalization of Smoking |
| Message | We support fully. It is not the government's responsibility to police what citizens put into their bodies. |
| Date | 20:30:17, January 28, 2006 CET | From | Bolivarian Party | To | Debating the Legalization of Smoking |
| Message | The bill can be changed so that it is only legal in private residences. So, smoking will only harm the person doing it, as do alcohol and recreational drugs. |
| Date | 20:52:13, January 28, 2006 CET | From | United Blobs | To | Debating the Legalization of Smoking |
| Message | "So, smoking will only harm the person doing it" - It has been repeatedly shown that being in the prescence of smokers can cause effects as bad as actually smoking. Passive smoking is a killer and people should not be forced to breath others smoke and suffer the ill-effects of others behaviour. |
| Date | 21:00:39, January 28, 2006 CET | From | Bolivarian Party | To | Debating the Legalization of Smoking |
| Message | That's why they will only be able to smoke in their home. |
| Date | 21:14:24, January 28, 2006 CET | From | United Blobs | To | Debating the Legalization of Smoking |
| Message | What about any children they may have? Their spouse(s)? Visitors? You are also allowing it in clubs which means that people working in them will also be affected. |
| Date | 21:38:08, January 28, 2006 CET | From | Bolivarian Party | To | Debating the Legalization of Smoking |
| Message | What about children of alcoholics? Though the kids don't ingest alcohol they are still treated badly, ignored, and/or beaten. What about the children of drug addicts? The parents will be constantly trying to find a way to get their next hit, and leave the children to fend for themselves. And what about marijuana? It is legal here in Hobrazia, and it is a drug that is also smoked. That mean there are also passive/second-hand smokers around people who use marijuana. It is a blatant contradiction to allow marijuana, recreational drugs, and alcohol, claiming that "there are no laws regulating what citizens can put into their bodies" yet we outlaw smoking. It should be legalized. |
| Date | 22:04:24, January 28, 2006 CET | From | United Blobs | To | Debating the Legalization of Smoking |
| Message | "What about children of alcoholics? Though the kids don't ingest alcohol they are still treated badly, ignored, and/or beaten." - We have governmentally departments and charities to help children in these cases. The damaging can heal unlike passive smoking damage which is irreversable. Also note that there is evidence that passive smoking as a child can lead to addictions in later life (http://www.newscientist.com/channel/health/mg18725143.900) which alcohol abuse that not suffer from. "The parents will be constantly trying to find a way to get their next hit" - In a society where these are legalised it is far less of a problem as they could have access much more easily and cheaply. "And what about marijuana? It is legal here in Hobrazia, and it is a drug that is also smoked. That mean there are also passive/second-hand smokers around people who use marijuana." - If evidence comes up about harmful effects due to passive smoking then it would get banned by the Watchdog clause. "It is a blatant contradiction to allow marijuana, recreational drugs, and alcohol, claiming that "there are no laws regulating what citizens can put into their bodies" yet we outlaw smoking." - Lack of better proposal. |
| Date | 22:21:14, January 28, 2006 CET | From | We Say So! Party | To | Debating the Legalization of Smoking |
| Message | "And what about marijuana? It is legal here in Hobrazia, and it is a drug that is also smoked." - Marijuana does not have to be smoked to be taken. As with tobacco, it can be chewed or injested through cakes and other foodstuffs and as such would have no deliterious effects on others, unlike smoking. |
| Date | 22:24:51, January 28, 2006 CET | From | United Blobs | To | Debating the Legalization of Smoking |
| Message | It should also be noted that the current law can be interpreted as banning the smoking of _any_ drug including (but not limited to) tobacco and marijuana. |
| Date | 10:44:01, January 29, 2006 CET | From | National Imperial Hobrazian Front | To | Debating the Legalization of Smoking |
| Message | "It should also be noted that the current law can be interpreted as banning the smoking of _any_ drug including (but not limited to) tobacco and marijuana." Yes, thanks to legislation which contradicts what it fucking means. I say let's get rid of that ridiculous "Watchdog" crap and make fine definitions of what drugs are legal and which aren't. Not only is the current legislation on drugs ingestion confusing, it removes power from the Chamber. I say no more of this sitting on two sides of the fence; let's grow up and decide for ourselves as a legislative body what can or cannot be used. Aside from legal ambiguities, what role should the government play in what citizens put into their bodies? Is Hobrazia so backward as to not allow someone to smoke a cigarette after a long day of work? Seriously, guys. We have a lot to deal with- crime, international strife, but what do we focus our attention on? Keeping smokable tobacco illegal? This is so ludacris that I am having a hard time finishing sentences without a question mark. If someone wants a cigarette or even a joint, that is there business and not ours. Let's keep making laws and let whoever wants to smoke smoke. Jesus. |
| Date | 15:24:07, January 29, 2006 CET | From | United Blobs | To | Debating the Legalization of Smoking |
| Message | What about passive smokers who are forced to inhale others smoke _against their will_? Why should others be forced to suffer from other people's bad habits? |
| Date | 15:31:18, January 29, 2006 CET | From | We Say So! Party | To | Debating the Legalization of Smoking |
| Message | There is no contradiction. The law states that people may take any form of drugs, except smoking. So they can ingest tobacco, marijuana etc just don't smoke it which affects the rights of others who are forced against their will to also ingest said drug. Smoking is bad for everyone around the smoker and it is the job of the government to guarantee that one persons freedom does not harm anothers. |
| Date | 20:51:31, January 29, 2006 CET | From | National Imperial Hobrazian Front | To | Debating the Legalization of Smoking |
| Message | "What about passive smokers who are forced to inhale others smoke _against their will_? Why should others be forced to suffer from other people's bad habits?" Then they shouldn't be in an environment where there are cigarettes and/or cigars being consumed. It is their decision whether or not they want to be exposed to secondhand smoke. As for family members, especially children, exposing them to smoke in the home should be banned. "There is no contradiction. The law states that people may take any form of drugs, except smoking." But the law also states that the Watchdog group may ban drugs found to be dangerous, which is contradictory (almost all drugs are dangerous). But the debate on that is seperate from this topic. |
| Date | 04:21:27, February 02, 2006 CET | From |  Liberal-Progressive Union | To | Debating the Legalization of Smoking |
| Message | Support. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes | Total Seats: 129 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 211 | |||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 60 |
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