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Bill: DNA records resolution
Details
Submitted by[?]: Anarchokommunistische Union
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: June 4092
Description[?]:
| Now that the law concerning the DNA records of our citizens is officially changed we would like to clarify the terms of this change. 1. The DNA records of any LIVING citizen of Lodamun has to be destroyed immediatly 2. DNA records of dead persons may still be saved for scientific purposes 3. Following the law, the state may create new DNA records of every person who commited crimes, which are punished with imprisonment, after this bill was passed. 4. Any citizen is allowed to submit his DNA to the database voluntarily, to support its scientific use. The government endorses this, but there will be no special treatment or consequence for any citizen who refuses to do this. 5. The police has always access to the DNA records of criminals, however there has to be justified suspicion in an investigation to get access to the database for scientific purposes. A prosecuting attorney will decide about this. 6. Persons with a file in the scientific DNA database may demand the destruction of their file at any time. Finn Süßmann President of Lodamun Co-Leader of the AKU |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 15:17:06, September 17, 2016 CET | From | Grand Nationalist Fraction | To | Debating the DNA records resolution |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, we would be glad to know the regulations before changing the law next time. That way there never can be a dispute. Again, we find this a wasted opportunity, but then again, we reluctantly accept the will of the majority of the Presidium. Franz Murphy LNC chairman |
| Date | 15:42:12, September 17, 2016 CET | From | Anarchokommunistische Union | To | Debating the DNA records resolution |
| Message | Mr. Speaker I agree with Mr. Murphy. The procedure was a bit chaotic last time. Maybe the President should have set up the agenda, and decided when the presidium should vote, since the President is the one who needs to defend the politics of his coalition most of the time. Finn Süßmann President of Lodamun Co-Leader of the AKU |
| Date | 15:48:47, September 17, 2016 CET | From |  Libertarian Union (LU) | To | Debating the DNA records resolution |
| Message | Mr Speaker, We ask that the DNA of those convicted only applies to sex offenders and murders. Carlos Everton LU Leader |
| Date | 15:59:00, September 17, 2016 CET | From | Lodamese Republican Party | To | Debating the DNA records resolution |
| Message | Mr. Süßmann, We did not have the intention to include these details with the DNA law. Our party planned on implementing the law as it is. Following our statement above we disagree with all points. Andreas Kraller VLD Presidium-Member |
| Date | 16:00:24, September 17, 2016 CET | From | Anarchokommunistische Union | To | Debating the DNA records resolution |
| Message | Mr. Speaker We are ready to implement the ideas of the LU but first we need to hear the others partys' opinions, too . Finn Süßmann President of Lodamun Co-Leader of the AKU |
| Date | 16:09:45, September 17, 2016 CET | From | Anarchokommunistische Union | To | Debating the DNA records resolution |
| Message | Mr. Speaker So we have the LU who wants stricter terms, the VLD who wants no terms and the LNC and GNRG who want some terms. I have to appeal to my coalition partners to be a little bit more cooperative. The demand of the VLD is just ridiculous. We cannot leave this law without clarifying which crimes lead to an entry in the DNA Database. Finn Süßmann President of Lodamun Co-Leader of the AKU |
| Date | 16:13:05, September 17, 2016 CET | From | Lodamese Republican Party | To | Debating the DNA records resolution |
| Message | Mr. Süßmann, First of all you should start to think about your own failure, you were the one too incompetent to check that there were no details. You just made it clear that you and your party-members are a joke. Andreas Kraller VLD Presidium-Member |
| Date | 16:29:14, September 17, 2016 CET | From | Anarchokommunistische Union | To | Debating the DNA records resolution |
| Message | Mr. Speaker Oh I see. Mr. Kraller should mind his tone. He should bear in mind that he just spoke directly to the President, which he isn't even allowed to do. By the behaviour of the VLD, they are destroying the reputation of all governing parties. They should stop acting like they are in the opposition. They are part of the coalition, so they are responsible for every mistake the government makes. If there is really no potential for compromise in the VLD I can no longer defend this party. So if there are any questions why there are no regulations you in the DNA law you should just ask them directly to the VLD. I tried my best to find a solution everyone can agree on, but if the VLD wants it like that we will just have to ignore the criticism of the opposition and have a law that doesn't make any sense. Our party agreed on your proposal, without having any precise terms, thats true. We expected you party to be cooperative when it comes to setting up the terms. Maybe we expected a little bit too much. Finn Süßmann President of Lodamun Co-Leader of the AKU |
| Date | 18:21:02, September 17, 2016 CET | From | Libertarian Union (LU) | To | Debating the DNA records resolution |
| Message | Let this not be an end to a very successful cabinet. The reforms we have passed and the tax changes my party are working on has done only good and this couldn't have been achieved without the coalition. Carlos Everton LU Leader |
| Date | 19:21:01, September 17, 2016 CET | From | Grand Nationalist Fraction | To | Debating the DNA records resolution |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, as I have predicted, this sounds like a very successfull Cabinet. I would like to thank the President for listening to the opposition and for actually consider our opinion. Apparently the President is the only person in the coalition to understand that the electorate victory wasn't that much of a landslide. Franz Murphy LNC chairman |
| Date | 19:29:01, September 17, 2016 CET | From | Grand Nationalist Fraction | To | Debating the DNA records resolution |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, I wonder if there is a reason why Mr. Everton doesn't want to see DNA recordings of all criminals. Sex offenders and murderers are sent to jail for quite some time in this nation, if they are that lucky. I wonder why we should keep the database alive at all if we only do what Mr. Everton suggests. That means the database is useless in almost 100 percent of the cases. Bernard Verhelst MP for LNC |
| Date | 20:20:47, September 17, 2016 CET | From | Great National Republican Guard | To | Debating the DNA records resolution |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, Since we will still maintain some sort of database, can there be a provision to allow citizens to voluntarily submit their DNA to the database? -- Cletus Barlow, Chairman of the GNRG, Leader of the Opposition |
| Date | 21:54:03, September 17, 2016 CET | From | Libertarian Union (LU) | To | Debating the DNA records resolution |
| Message | To then criminalise those who do not submit their DNA? Carlos Everton LU Leader |
| Date | 21:59:12, September 17, 2016 CET | From | Great National Republican Guard | To | Debating the DNA records resolution |
| Message | No, Mr. Speaker, That is not what we said. Again, the GNRG's position is to maintain a DNA database for reasons apart from crime. -- Cletus Barlow, Chairman of the GNRG, Leader of the Opposition |
| Date | 22:14:09, September 17, 2016 CET | From | Anarchokommunistische Union | To | Debating the DNA records resolution |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, Of course I would be willing to let anyone that wants to submit his DNA to the database do that. My question is: Is it worth it integrating this into the resolution? Will it make the GNRG agree on a resolution concerning a law that they reject? Maybe the opposition should inform us if these are just questions or demands for a compromise. Finn Süßmann President of Lodamun Co-Leader of the AKU |
| Date | 22:15:05, September 17, 2016 CET | From | Grand Nationalist Fraction | To | Debating the DNA records resolution |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, could someone please take Mr. Everton apart and explain to him what we're trying to say here. He's the reason debates have to last that long. Fro the last time: DNA records have had nothing to do with crime. The law is accepted, now we're trying to decide what to do with the existing database. For crying out loud, listen for once to what the 598 MPs in this room have to say. You're not the only person in Terra! Franz Murphy LNC chairman |
| Date | 22:30:24, September 17, 2016 CET | From | Great National Republican Guard | To | Debating the DNA records resolution |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, These are demands for a compromise. If citizens may voluntarily submit their DNA to the government, then the benefits for genealogy and the health sector will remain for the most part. It will also be easier for persons' bodies to be identified if they die, and it will be easier for persons to disconnect themselves from crime cases. At the same time, the state won't force anyone to surrender their DNA, unless - as the VLD demands - they have been convicted of a crime. -- Cletus Barlow, Chairman of the GNRG, Leader of the Opposition |
| Date | 22:49:18, September 17, 2016 CET | From | Anarchokommunistische Union | To | Debating the DNA records resolution |
| Message | Mr. Speaker I edited my resolution I suggest having two separated databases. Both of them can be used for investigations under certain restrictions. We hope this will fullfill the need of a database which serves scientific purposes that the LNC and GNRG see. I also integrated some restrictions to pacify the LU. Can the parties of the Presidium agree on this proposal? Finn Süßmann President of Lodamun Co-Leader of the AKU |
| Date | 22:53:28, September 17, 2016 CET | From | Grand Nationalist Fraction | To | Debating the DNA records resolution |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, LNC can live with this if article 4 would state that the citizens are recommended to give a DNA sample. Obviously no special treatments for those who do give a sample. Jonathan Liverpool MP for LNC |
| Date | 23:10:02, September 17, 2016 CET | From | Anarchokommunistische Union | To | Debating the DNA records resolution |
| Message | Mr. Speaker Article 4 was edited and I added article 6, just to make sure that the citizen's, file may be destroyed, if this is his will, even if he agreed on submitting his DNA earlier. Finn Süßmann President of Lodamun Co-Leader of the AKU |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 599 | |||||
| no | Total Seats: 0 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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